rec.autos.simulators

by **BendsMaste** » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I have and old 233mmx at home that I would like to setup to run GPL
for my younger brother. I have tried a number of different system
configurations to no avail. I am able to run Quake3 and UT quite well
in fact and with a lot of details, but GPL won't even give me 15 fps
with virtually just the track and some of the car left for graphics.
The machine has a Voodoo2 (Righteous Orchid), I have tried all
versions of Glide for the V2 and the best I get is in between 12-14
fps as a best result in training mode. The performance is so bad that
if the resolution is set any higher than 640x480 nothing moves.
I have utilities to degrament and free memory, I've overclocked the V2
to a fair limit and it has a fan attached to it, I have utilities like
cacheman for virtual cache, I have a 512mb static swap file set on a
different drive, all latest drivers have been installed and I have
enough understanding to configure the BIOS properly so as to achieve
the best performance out of that pc.
I also have another 2 pc's of higher spec which I built that runs all
of the games I play seamlessly. But I am almost giving up on this one,
and it is frustrating because I am sure I have seen a post here
somewhere about someone playing GPL on a p166 mmx.
I hope with the arrival of the Rendition card I ordered I'll see some
improvement.
Here's the spec:
P233 MMX 128mb EDO RAM
Diamond Viper 550 16mb
Righteous Orchid Voodoo 2 8mb --> used for GPL
Win98 - DirectX 7a ---> (Worst performance with previous DX)
Sound Blaster AWE32 full retail version.
Gigabyte mainboard

I would appreciate any tips, or is it a hopeless cause?

Thanks.

Mauricio

by **pez** » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

20-25 fps online (with the excellent winVROC) on an AMD K6 200mhz,
voodoo1board (orchid righteous3d), awe64, 32meg ram, 400meg hard drive, 33.6
kpbs modem, and an old gravis analogue pro joystick with a dodgy pot that
keeps sending me right when i move it all the way left.....not good.

turn all graphics options except for groove, smoke and wheel textures off
(those are the only ones you really need as they give you car feedback).
FPS is more important than quality of visuals. Its all about the FEEL

oh, and 5 race wins online at Michigan (2), Monza(2), and Watkins Glen(once)

pez

by **Robert Turne** » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

it is important what type of motherboard you have.
if it is a shit quality one it can have a massive influence on the overall
performance of the machine, especially in games.
When I bought my first machine 2 years ago it came with a vx pro motherboard
by pc chips. I bought a voodoo card to play quake on and i was amazed at how
poor the performance was compared to my friends computers of virtually the
same spec. I even took the voodoo card back a couple of times before i
accepted that the motherboard was the problem.
a new motherboard turned my machine into the fastest among my friends from
the slowest.

in short your machine should be able to run GPL fine, especially in training
mode.If it can't then there is a specific problem that need sot be dealt
with.

--
Rob.

by **Mark Seer** » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I used a p200, 32 meg memory and a 12 meg voodoo 2 for a long time. I was
able to get 36 fps with this machine in training mode. What detail are you
using for mirrors? This is one of the main suckers for frames. Make sure
that you have it set for cars only. It is also a good idea to turn the
number of sounds down to three. If you are not too worried about sound
quality, open up the app file in the GPL folder. Set quality to 0. This
forces GPL to run sound in mono with a gain of around 3-5 frames.

MS.

by **Gary Pershal** » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

does anyone know what the various settings are for the sound quality line in
the app.ini file for GPL and what they mean?

by **Mark Seer** » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

0 is for mono and 2 is the default stereo. I'm not sure about 1.

MS

by **BendsMaste** » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:40:35 -0000, "Mark Seery"

I haven't even got to a point where I could attempt to play with the
***pit view, all this bad performance is with the f10 view. I have
actually set max sounds to 3, and have set the quality to low in the
app.ini, I also have the mirrors set to only show cars. The machine
has a Gigabyte mainboard which is not known for being the fastest in
the market but nevertheless I would expect GPL to run.
Cheers

Mauricio.

>I used a p200, 32 meg memory and a 12 meg voodoo 2 for a long time. I was
>able to get 36 fps with this machine in training mode. What detail are you
>using for mirrors? This is one of the main suckers for frames. Make sure
>that you have it set for cars only. It is also a good idea to turn the
>number of sounds down to three. If you are not too worried about sound
>quality, open up the app file in the GPL folder. Set quality to 0. This
>forces GPL to run sound in mono with a gain of around 3-5 frames.

>MS.

>> I have and old 233mmx at home that I would like to setup to run GPL
>> for my younger brother. I have tried a number of different system
>> configurations to no avail. I am able to run Quake3 and UT quite well
>> in fact and with a lot of details, but GPL won't even give me 15 fps
>> with virtually just the track and some of the car left for graphics.
>> The machine has a Voodoo2 (Righteous Orchid), I have tried all
>> versions of Glide for the V2 and the best I get is in between 12-14
>> fps as a best result in training mode. The performance is so bad that
>> if the resolution is set any higher than 640x480 nothing moves.
>> I have utilities to degrament and free memory, I've overclocked the V2
>> to a fair limit and it has a fan attached to it, I have utilities like
>> cacheman for virtual cache, I have a 512mb static swap file set on a
>> different drive, all latest drivers have been installed and I have
>> enough understanding to configure the BIOS properly so as to achieve
>> the best performance out of that pc.
>> I also have another 2 pc's of higher spec which I built that runs all
>> of the games I play seamlessly. But I am almost giving up on this one,
>> and it is frustrating because I am sure I have seen a post here
>> somewhere about someone playing GPL on a p166 mmx.
>> I hope with the arrival of the Rendition card I ordered I'll see some
>> improvement.
>> Here's the spec:
>> P233 MMX 128mb EDO RAM
>> Diamond Viper 550 16mb
>> Righteous Orchid Voodoo 2 8mb --> used for GPL
>> Win98 - DirectX 7a ---> (Worst performance with previous DX)
>> Sound Blaster AWE32 full retail version.
>> Gigabyte mainboard

>> I would appreciate any tips, or is it a hopeless cause?

>> Thanks.

>> Mauricio

by **Rolf Hansso** » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Make sure you are not running in software mode. Open the file app.ini in
your GPL directory. It should have (among other things) the following lines:

[ Graphics ]
lastRasterizerDLL = rast3dfx.dll ; Last rasterizer DLL selected

/ / Rolf

> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:40:35 -0000, "Mark Seery"

> I haven't even got to a point where I could attempt to play with the
>***pit view, all this bad performance is with the f10 view. I have
> actually set max sounds to 3, and have set the quality to low in the
> app.ini, I also have the mirrors set to only show cars. The machine
> has a Gigabyte mainboard which is not known for being the fastest in
> the market but nevertheless I would expect GPL to run.
> Cheers

> Mauricio.

by **Bill Jone** » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I think there's something wrong with your system. I have a Gateway2000
P5-100 that I stuck an Evergreen/Intel 233MMX Overdrive Processor in, and I
get between 23-28 fps on the Monza track in training mode with most graphics
options on. Last night, I tried a quick race at Monza with 5 AI opponents,
and was getting 18 fps sitting at the starting line, and up to about 24 fps
during the race. My system is not even as good as yours on paper, since I
only have 64MB RAM and a 4MB Monster 3D (Voodoo1) graphics accellerator
going through an ATI Mach64 2MB 2D video card. I'm running Win98 and
DirectX 6.1.

I would try using the http://www.winmag.com Wintune program, or the
Winbench99 benchmark program at http://www.zdnet.com/zdbop/ to help you
determine if there's a bottleneck in your system.

--
Bill Jones e-mail addresses:

(860) 701-1201 WWW: http://pages.cthome.net/billj

by **rb..** » Sun, 09 Jan 2000 04:00:00

yup, with the rendition, (i got my 4meg thriller for 20 bucks!) i,m
getting up to 36fps with 10 cars with horizon,track,groove, skids n
smoke crowds and objects hehe! of course i don't in the grid! the
voodoo ii i have is smoother at the start, but like you it doesn't cut
the mustard, only up to 24-28 if i'm lucky. you will see better days
with the rendition, especially on a slower machine. also, in the app
ini. turn the sound quality to 0 and maybe even take out the hardware
accelerated sound in yr control panel. i'm sure this has already been
put out there to ya.
chau,

rob

In article

> I have and old 233mmx at home that I would like to setup to run GPL
> for my younger brother. I have tried a number of different system
> configurations to no avail. I am able to run Quake3 and UT quite well
> in fact and with a lot of details, but GPL won't even give me 15 fps
> with virtually just the track and some of the car left for graphics.
> The machine has a Voodoo2 (Righteous Orchid), I have tried all
> versions of Glide for the V2 and the best I get is in between 12-14
> fps as a best result in training mode. The performance is so bad that
> if the resolution is set any higher than 640x480 nothing moves.
> I have utilities to degrament and free memory, I've overclocked the V2
> to a fair limit and it has a fan attached to it, I have utilities like
> cacheman for virtual cache, I have a 512mb static swap file set on a
> different drive, all latest drivers have been installed and I have
> enough understanding to configure the BIOS properly so as to achieve
> the best performance out of that pc.
> I also have another 2 pc's of higher spec which I built that runs all
> of the games I play seamlessly. But I am almost giving up on this one,
> and it is frustrating because I am sure I have seen a post here
> somewhere about someone playing GPL on a p166 mmx.
> I hope with the arrival of the Rendition card I ordered I'll see some
> improvement.
> Here's the spec:
> P233 MMX 128mb EDO RAM
> Diamond Viper 550 16mb
> Righteous Orchid Voodoo 2 8mb --> used for GPL
> Win98 - DirectX 7a ---> (Worst performance with previous DX)
> Sound Blaster AWE32 full retail version.
> Gigabyte mainboard

> I would appreciate any tips, or is it a hopeless cause?

> Thanks.

> Mauricio

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by **Bill Jone** » Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I responded a few days ago that something must be wrong with your system
because I was getting 24-28 fps in training mode at Monza in 640x480. That
was with a 233MMX, 64MB RAM, 4MB Voodoo1. Over the weekend I installed a
12MB Voodoo2 PCI 1000 on the same system, and now get 32-36 fps at Monza in
training mode. In a quick race with 5 AI opponents and starting at the
rear, I was getting 26 fps sitting at the start line, and 28-34 fps during
the race. Since your system has better specs than mine (128MB vs 64MB RAM),
you should be getting better performance than me.

I also compared the new V2 card against the V1 card with Viper Racing and
N3:

In VR with all graphics options set to HIGH, I was getting 25.9 fps. With
the V2 card, 38.4 fps.

In N3 testing mode, was getting average 20 fps with V1. With V2, average is
now 30 fps, with many graphic options st to turn on automatically at 25 fps
and turn off below 20 fps.

It's not a hopeless cause!!!

--
Bill Jones e-mail addresses:

(860) 701-1201 WWW: http://pages.cthome.net/billj

by **Gregor Vebl** » Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> The machine has a Voodoo2 (Righteous Orchid), I have tried all
> versions of Glide for the V2 and the best I get is in between 12-14
> fps as a best result in training mode. The performance is so bad that
> if the resolution is set any higher than 640x480 nothing moves.

This comment makes me think that GPL doesn't use the voodoo card as the
resolution is not that critical (used to have a P200MMX with voodoo1).
Are you sure that the glide option is selected at graphics settings?
Maybe the Viper card even doesn't let programs access the Voodoo2 .

by **BendsMaste** » Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:31:25 -0500, "Bill Jones"

I have decided to buy an Evergreen for the cpu and I will wait until
that arrives so I can try again.
After reading your reply I concluded you're right, there is something
wrong with that system and I will get to the bottom of if at the
weekend.
Thanks for the info.

Mauricio

>> I have and old 233mmx at home that I would like to setup to run GPL
>> for my younger brother. I have tried a number of different system
>> configurations to no avail. I am able to run Quake3 and UT quite well
>> in fact and with a lot of details, but GPL won't even give me 15 fps
>> with virtually just the track and some of the car left for graphics.
>> The machine has a Voodoo2 (Righteous Orchid), I have tried all
>> versions of Glide for the V2 and the best I get is in between 12-14
>> fps as a best result in training mode. The performance is so bad that
>> if the resolution is set any higher than 640x480 nothing moves.

>I responded a few days ago that something must be wrong with your system
>because I was getting 24-28 fps in training mode at Monza in 640x480. That
>was with a 233MMX, 64MB RAM, 4MB Voodoo1. Over the weekend I installed a
>12MB Voodoo2 PCI 1000 on the same system, and now get 32-36 fps at Monza in
>training mode. In a quick race with 5 AI opponents and starting at the
>rear, I was getting 26 fps sitting at the start line, and 28-34 fps during
>the race. Since your system has better specs than mine (128MB vs 64MB RAM),
>you should be getting better performance than me.

>I also compared the new V2 card against the V1 card with Viper Racing and
>N3:

>In VR with all graphics options set to HIGH, I was getting 25.9 fps. With
>the V2 card, 38.4 fps.

>In N3 testing mode, was getting average 20 fps with V1. With V2, average is
>now 30 fps, with many graphic options st to turn on automatically at 25 fps
>and turn off below 20 fps.

>> Here's the spec:
>> P233 MMX 128mb EDO RAM
>> Diamond Viper 550 16mb
>> Righteous Orchid Voodoo 2 8mb --> used for GPL
>> Win98 - DirectX 7a ---> (Worst performance with previous DX)
>> Sound Blaster AWE32 full retail version.
>> Gigabyte mainboard

>> I would appreciate any tips, or is it a hopeless cause?

>It's not a hopeless cause!!!

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by **BendsMaste** » Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:16:16 +0100, Gregor Veble

I do run other games (Quake3 and UT) using the Voodoo2.
The 3dfx option is selected in GPL (app.ini). The reason I mentioned
higher resolution is because I thought I would have been able to run
it in 800x600 with the V2, because I ran Quake2 in 1024x768 with
decent frame rates. Resolution is critical as far as good graphics
goes since the higher the resolution, the higher the level of details
as you have more pixels displayed on the screen.
I am awaiting the arrival of a Evergreen processor upgrade as they
call it. I will see what sort of results I get from that. Judging from
what I hear the Evergreen is just the thing for old pcs.

Cheers

Mauricio

>> The machine has a Voodoo2 (Righteous Orchid), I have tried all
>> versions of Glide for the V2 and the best I get is in between 12-14
>> fps as a best result in training mode. The performance is so bad that
>> if the resolution is set any higher than 640x480 nothing moves.

>This comment makes me think that GPL doesn't use the voodoo card as the
>resolution is not that critical (used to have a P200MMX with voodoo1).
>Are you sure that the glide option is selected at graphics settings?
>Maybe the Viper card even doesn't let programs access the Voodoo2 .

>> Here's the spec:
>> P233 MMX 128mb EDO RAM
>> Diamond Viper 550 16mb
>> Righteous Orchid Voodoo 2 8mb --> used for GPL
>> Win98 - DirectX 7a ---> (Worst performance with previous DX)
>> Sound Blaster AWE32 full retail version.
>> Gigabyte mainboard

>> I would appreciate any tips, or is it a hopeless cause?

>> Thanks.

>> Mauricio

by **Bill Jone** » Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:31:25 -0500, "Bill Jones"

> I have decided to buy an Evergreen for the cpu and I will wait until
> that arrives so I can try again.
> After reading your reply I concluded you're right, there is something
> wrong with that system and I will get to the bottom of if at the
> weekend.

Be careful which Evergreen you go with! I originally bought the MXPro240 to
replace my Intel P5-100. This is a Winchip CPU. I got it from
http://www.racesimcentral.net/;When I got it, I benchmarked it using ZD Labs
Winbench program, and it turned out that the CPU Integer performance was
improved with the upgrade processor, but Floating Point performance was
worse than my Pentium 100 non-MMX! Not only that, but the system would
crash on certain games with the Evergreen, particularly on CART Precision
Racing, which I was into at the time. I called Evergreen's tech support,
and they said for *** purposes, they would recommend the Evergreen/Intel
solution, which is a genuine Intel P-233MMX CPU with a voltage adapter to
enable it to be used with my Socket 5 motherboard. The processor upgrade
cost about $150 after rebate, but [with the V2 card] has given me a
marginally adequate *** machine, and I have been able to hold off getting
a new system for over a year now. I'd be careful with the Evergreen upgrade
processors, unless you go with the Evergreen/Intel unit.

--
Bill Jones e-mail addresses:

(860) 701-1201 WWW: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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