rec.autos.simulators

I'm a big fan of the Nascar Racing series, but all the features it has
are only good because of the type of game that it is Trying to
impliment this into GPL would be, and is, a big _NO!_

If you're not interested in pure, 100%, realism, which GPL comes
pretty close to offering, you've clearly bought yourself the wrong
simulator. Stick with N2 instead.

I do wonder how you could get bored with GPL, just because of a tiny
thing like this however...

Griffin, the Slayer

If we, the more *** sim fans, are unable or unwilling to accept that
there should be OPTIONAL concessions to make our sims more driveable for
beginners, and those that simply want the thrill of racing, it will not be
long before we find ourselves without any sims to race.  We will also have
to accept that these sims should install with all of those options
defaulting to ON - making it up to us to take the effort to turn them off.
The backlash to demanding ONLY realism will be scores of "Nascar
Revolution"s, endless unimproved "Nascar Racing Series," and "Need for
Speed," type games.  There is a place for such games, but we must realize
that if the options making real sims more accessible are not implemented -
and keep responding with "you've bought yourself the wrong simulator"
instead of pushing for such options, "games" is all we will be left with.

For GPL, papyrus listened to the *** simmers, perhaps too much, and the
game IS virtually inaccessible to many racing enthusiasts.  I don't see any
changes on the horizon to salvage this title in terms of market saturation.
While a wonderful sim, GPL should also serve as an example to all of us of
how too much of a good thing, without options making it accessible to the
average racer, hurts our desires for more realism in the long run...

Michael

I must have missed that 100% realism....or maybe I don't have the new USB
based gravity generator!

And its clear? Where did you get the information? :)  I might agree with you
if it'd been say a Nascar sim taht supported the advanced racing engine and
bombed.  But while yes the most realistic racing physics seen in a PC racing
title thus far were probably a turn off to some folks, I'd bet more passed
it up before even getting to that point because they had no interest in 1967
grand prix racing.

But I don't believe that folks are demanding ONLY realism.  I believe what
they are wanting is the ability to, for themselves, to have the best realism
available.  I'm sure they don't mind if Bobby down the street buys the same
title but only runs the junior mode, as long as they are NOT forced to also
run in the junior mode too.

saturation.

Virtually inaccessible?  No, I don't think so.  Its very accessible, however
it does take some work to begin to understand the concepts and be able to
get to a point where you start to become good.  If thats virtually
inaccessible, well then, the world is screwed because if people aren't
willing to put work into something they ENJOY, then what the heck are they
going to do when they go to their jobs? :P

Perhaps, but then again I highly doubt many "average racers" even considered
buying the title because they couldn't run their favorite cars (from
Sportscars to production to stock cars to forumla1 cars, etc) or were
completely unfimiliar with the topic at hand.  Stick a babe on the cover,
let lose a bunch of Porsche 959s, Ferrari Tesatorras and F40s, a couple
Lamborghini Countach and Diablos, add in a splash of Callaway Vettes, a
Mustang GT Cobra, Toyota Supra, a Nissan 300ZX TwinTurbo, a Winston Cup car,
a Cuda, perhaps even a Dodge Charger painted up orangee with the rebel flag,
et al and I bet even on the 67 GP road courses provided in GPL it would have
sold like hotcakes.

A bit like the Arcade mode in N2 for example?

I'd would say that the settings should Default to the most realistic
setting, and then it would be for amatures to make it easier on
themselves.

But would you really want useful time, money and effort, to go into
these features for those who can't bare good quality _simulators_,
instead of it being directed to a game specifically for one audience
[simulator fans], who could then relish in a wonderful sim? I
certainly wouldn't.

I'm not sure how much I agree with creating game with both Arcade and
Simulator properties. We've seen it happen before, in N2 and SBK, for
example.
  When was the last time you used the Arcade modes in either of these
games? I used it once or twice only in N2, and only during the demo of
SBK.

Except for the lack of decent profit which Papy' made, GPL hasn't
suffered.

A life without GPL is no life at all.
:)

Griffin, the Slayer

Again, another good point.

You really are full of good comments today! :)

I agree, GPL is _accessible_ to everyboy who wants to put some time
and effort into it. Those who don't can go ahead and cry.

I think you're absolutely right about this!

I can't remember the last time I agreed with anybody more than I have
done with your comments in this message. You've certainly done your
homework and know what you're talking about! :)

Griffin, the Slayer

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I'd worry if it was like horse racing

Mark

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--Tel

LOL...oh my, can it get any more ignorant? That's exactly the point
why we won't see any other games of that type in the foreseeable
future... With that attitude you're just going to kill the genre.

--Tel