Celeron's butt..!
Anyone have any thoughts or comments on this?
-Thanks...NK
-Thanks...NK
When will they understand ? INTEL IS SHIT !!!!
What are the last BIG problems in computer chip ? hmmmmm ?
1) PENTIUM FPU ERROR IN 1995
2) P3 BUGS
3) i820 CHIPSET
In the meantime there has been like 3 progs that wouldn't work with cyrix
chips in 96-97 (patches came out in 2-3 weeks)....AMD, never a prob, VERY
easy to oc (as easy as celeron 1st generation) and about 40% cheaper than
INTEL....
Bottomline, buy a duron or an athlon
Oh, if you're going to bring up Intels problems with chips in 1995 you might
want to bring up the fact that AMD had the hardest damn time shipping a
product in the same time period. The company was synonymous with vaporware
during those years.
> When will they understand ? INTEL IS SHIT !!!!
> What are the last BIG problems in computer chip ? hmmmmm ?
> 1) PENTIUM FPU ERROR IN 1995
> 2) P3 BUGS
> 3) i820 CHIPSET
> In the meantime there has been like 3 progs that wouldn't work with cyrix
> chips in 96-97 (patches came out in 2-3 weeks)....AMD, never a prob, VERY
> easy to oc (as easy as celeron 1st generation) and about 40% cheaper than
> INTEL....
> Bottomline, buy a duron or an athlon
> > Well, from what I've read so far, this processor seems to kick the
> INTEL
> > Celeron's butt..!
> > Anyone have any thoughts or comments on this?
> > -Thanks...NK
It's nice that compeition is happening but I guess we are also suffering
because in a few years both companies will be spent and have no more they
can do for a long time and then we'll see who's the king of the heap...but
right now it's still Intel.
Jon
> When will they understand ? INTEL IS SHIT !!!!
> What are the last BIG problems in computer chip ? hmmmmm ?
> 1) PENTIUM FPU ERROR IN 1995
> 2) P3 BUGS
> 3) i820 CHIPSET
> In the meantime there has been like 3 progs that wouldn't work with cyrix
> chips in 96-97 (patches came out in 2-3 weeks)....AMD, never a prob, VERY
> easy to oc (as easy as celeron 1st generation) and about 40% cheaper than
> INTEL....
> Bottomline, buy a duron or an athlon
> > Well, from what I've read so far, this processor seems to kick the
> INTEL
> > Celeron's butt..!
> > Anyone have any thoughts or comments on this?
> > -Thanks...NK
> When will they understand ? INTEL IS SHIT !!!!
> What are the last BIG problems in computer chip ? hmmmmm ?
> 1) PENTIUM FPU ERROR IN 1995
Such as? My P3700E is a great overclock at 7x133 with stock hs/fan and default
core voltage. Rock solid, and $215 for a (near) 1GHz CPU is a deal.
Obviously you have only recently been using AMD products ...
Plus, you conveniently neglected to mention the huge amount of motherboard and
power supply problems when using the new AMD chips. Never seen an Intel CPU
have a problem just because of the size and/or brand of P.S., but AMD has
managed to add this "feature" to theirs. Gateway didn't recall all their 1GHz
Thunderbird-based systems just for fun either!
<snip>
I notice you conveniently neglected to mention the 900,000 or so i820
motherboards that were recalled, probably for the simple reason that
Intel has their hand in Rambus's pants.
No mention of those early "cacheless" Celerons either.
Very nice brush off on the FPU error as well.
I'm not anti-AMD or anti-Intel, nor am I a diehard brand loyalist for
either.
The best thing that can possibly happen, for all of us IMHO, is for
Intel and AMD to remain neck and neck and keep incrementally one-upping
each other. It keeps both companies healthy and hungry, and lowers the
cost for the end user. Anyone who thinks they'd still only be paying
$215 for an Intel 700E if AMD hadn't introduced the Athlon has a bad
case of bowel optics.
They've both had their dogs and their winners, that's the price paid for
daring and innovation.
Doug
> > Plus, you conveniently neglected to mention the huge amount of motherboard and
> > power supply problems when using the new AMD chips. Never seen an Intel CPU
> > have a problem just because of the size and/or brand of P.S., but AMD has
> > managed to add this "feature" to theirs. Gateway didn't recall all their 1GHz
> > Thunderbird-based systems just for fun either!
> I notice you conveniently neglected to mention the 900,000 or so i820
> motherboards that were recalled, probably for the simple reason that
> Intel has their hand in Rambus's pants.
As for Intel's relationship with RAMBUST, they had some motivation, namely stock
options on 10M shares at around $2 or so. However, there was a stipulation to their
agreement - for Intel to be able to exercise these options, their shipment of i820
logic sets has to be at least a 20% or greater share of their total chipset
shipments. They haven't even come close. And Intel is distancing itself further and
further from RAMBUST. Check out their web site where they actually show (in
benchmarks) that RAMBUST is not faster. They didn't let VIA off the hook for no good
reason ...
There was no problem with those first 'Cellies. Sure, adding cache speeded them up
quite nicely, but for some time, the "mongo" overclocker among CPU freaks was the
C266. Not having the cache actually made them better overclockers, as at the time,
all other CPUs (with cache) had separate cache (running at less than the core's
speed) from the CPU. Only when Intel went to on-die cache running at full core
speed with the C300A did a better overclocking candidate arise.
That was no brush-off, it was fact. Unless of course, you use software that would be
affected by an error in the 16th decimal place (or further) out.
Neither am I. I'm well invested in to both companies. <g>
So far, AMD has had only a couple winners, and a lot of dogs. And it took them
hiring away the top design guru from Intel to achieve their recent success(es).
Unfortunately for AMD, Atiq has moved on to a little company named Transmeta.
But the biggest problem AMD has is still the miserable problems with the mobo support
and P.S.'s. And these are not going away, they're still a headache with the T-Bird.