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OT: large hard drives and W98SE

SS

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by SS » Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:17:07

My apologies for sneaking in a non-simming question.  I'd like to add a
250GB Western Digital hard drive to my system but I understand that there
are obstactles to accessing drives over 137GB.  I bought a Promise PCI EIDE
controller card which should (I hope) handle the hardware side of things,
but will my OS (Windows 98SE) have any problems, provided that the drive is
hooked up through the Promise controller?  Any other issues to beware of?
(My MB is an ECS K7S5A with an Athlon 2000+ processor.)

Thanks for your insights,
itazura

himrlipi

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by himrlipi » Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:25:32

Why not just partition the drive?  Win98SE might
have trouble with one 250GB drive, but might not
with two 120GB drives.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:17:07 -0500, "SS"


>My apologies for sneaking in a non-simming question.  I'd like to add a
>250GB Western Digital hard drive to my system but I understand that there
>are obstactles to accessing drives over 137GB.  I bought a Promise PCI EIDE
>controller card which should (I hope) handle the hardware side of things,
>but will my OS (Windows 98SE) have any problems, provided that the drive is
>hooked up through the Promise controller?  Any other issues to beware of?
>(My MB is an ECS K7S5A with an Athlon 2000+ processor.)

>Thanks for your insights,
>itazura

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....
Anthony Brook

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Anthony Brook » Sat, 22 Nov 2003 05:31:07


> Why not just partition the drive?  Win98SE might
> have trouble with one 250GB drive, but might not
> with two 120GB drives.

Hmmm..of course I haven't used Win98 in ages, but I thought fat32 could only
format up to 32 Gigs.
SS

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by SS » Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:46:58

Hmm, yes, it's sounding about as complicated as I feared it might be.  The
Western Digital drive packaging says that the drive will work with Windows
98SE (with their formatting software and possibly with an IDE controller
card), but the more I read online, the more I am lead to believe that there
may be problems.  I still haven't opened the box, so I can make a return if
need be, but I could really use the drive space.  Does anyone have any
experience successfully running a 150GB+ drive under Win98SE?

Thanks again,
itazura

Anthony Brook

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Anthony Brook » Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:03:19




>>Hmmm..of course I haven't used Win98 in ages, but I thought fat32 could
>>only format up to 32 Gigs.

> So MS say. But I have heard of others using larger FAT32 partitions so
> I don't know what the real story is. But, the Fdsik utiltiy that comes
> with Win98 won't see all of the HDD so you have to download an updated
> version of Fdisk from MS. Or use the latest version of PQMagic. The
> older version of PQM won't see all of a 250gb drive either.

Yep, you're right. Win95 is stuck at 32gb and Win98 you need the updated
fdisk, but even then up to 137gb or so they say.  
Anthony Brook

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Anthony Brook » Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:13:47


> Hmm, yes, it's sounding about as complicated as I feared it might be.  The
> Western Digital drive packaging says that the drive will work with Windows
> 98SE (with their formatting software and possibly with an IDE controller
> card), but the more I read online, the more I am lead to believe that
> there
> may be problems.  I still haven't opened the box, so I can make a return
> if
> need be, but I could really use the drive space.  Does anyone have any
> experience successfully running a 150GB+ drive under Win98SE?

> Thanks again,
> itazura

I'm sure someone could provide better info. I haven't been in Win98 in ages,
but here is the link from microsoft that I found:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;263044
Personally, I would keep it. You might have to divide the drive up into say
2-125gb partitions or something like that. Maybe Western Digital's
formatting software will take care of the problem for you.
Joao Gonzale

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Joao Gonzale » Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:06:53


The only problem I know of with large drives is that FDISK does not "see"
the full drive if its bigger than 60G. To solve it you need to D/L an
updated FDISK from Microsot.com (search the knowledge base there).

Jo?o Gonzalez

Larr

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Larr » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:40:23

It's not a partition thing...  It's the LBA Bit-Depth that's the issue.

Whether Win98se can see the whole drive even with that card is a damned good
question, though.  You're the first I"ve heard try it :)(

-Larry


> Why not just partition the drive?  Win98SE might
> have trouble with one 250GB drive, but might not
> with two 120GB drives.

> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:17:07 -0500, "SS"

> >My apologies for sneaking in a non-simming question.  I'd like to add a
> >250GB Western Digital hard drive to my system but I understand that there
> >are obstactles to accessing drives over 137GB.  I bought a Promise PCI
EIDE
> >controller card which should (I hope) handle the hardware side of things,
> >but will my OS (Windows 98SE) have any problems, provided that the drive
is
> >hooked up through the Promise controller?  Any other issues to beware of?
> >(My MB is an ECS K7S5A with an Athlon 2000+ processor.)

> >Thanks for your insights,
> >itazura

> Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Damien Smit

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Damien Smit » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:48:23

I've got a 70GB FAT32 partition but I'm using WinXP - there is some sort of
limit in Win98 but I can't recall what it is - it's around the 80GB mark
from memory....
Goy Larse

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Goy Larse » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:05:31


> I've got a 70GB FAT32 partition but I'm using WinXP - there is some sort of
> limit in Win98 but I can't recall what it is - it's around the 80GB mark
> from memory....

That would be the 60 GB (or thereabouts) limit of the original Fdisk
that came with Win98 as the others have mentioned, 120GB is not a
problem on a HD partition and formatted with Seagate's "Wizzard" tool,
I've never tried anything bigger than that I'm afraid

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Bamboozle

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Bamboozle » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:15:55


Gee, that's funny.  My W98 FDISK formatted by new 160gb drive at 137gb's.
Only reason it stopped at 137, as explained in the manual that came with the
drive, had to do with the fact that I have an older PCI card (ATI/66) and
nothing but ATI/100's and above can read past 137gb's.

Bamboozle

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Bamboozle » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:17:06



> > I've got a 70GB FAT32 partition but I'm using WinXP - there is some sort
of
> > limit in Win98 but I can't recall what it is - it's around the 80GB mark
> > from memory....

> That would be the 60 GB (or thereabouts) limit of the original Fdisk
> that came with Win98 as the others have mentioned, 120GB is not a
> problem on a HD partition and formatted with Seagate's "Wizzard" tool,
> I've never tried anything bigger than that I'm afraid

My FDISK must be broken then, because I formatted a 160gb drive a couple
months back through MS-DOS at 137gb's.  :-)
Goy Larse

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Goy Larse » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:39:23


> My FDISK must be broken then, because I formatted a 160gb drive a couple
> months back through MS-DOS at 137gb's.  :-)

Your Fdisk is broken :-), or most likely updated as per this article

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=263044

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Bamboozle

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Bamboozle » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:59:06


According to that article, my FDISK isn't updated.  The filedate on mine is
5/11/98, and the updated one is 5/19/00 (W98FE)  So I guess it must by
broken.  ;-)

Alan Hoo

OT: large hard drives and W98SE

by Alan Hoo » Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:35:01

Itazura,

A week ago I had a hard drive failure (40 Gig) and upgraded to a Western
Digital 160 Gig. I am running Windows98SE (for games) and Linux (for
everything else).

The Western Digital (WD) drive utility came with a disk that had several
utilities (partitioning, diagnostics and EZ-BIOS). The instructions for
the drive said to use the disk the first time you boot the computer
after the new drive is installed.

I did and used the partitioning tool on the WD disk, however, it
required fdisk for it to function. It prompted me to insert a disk with
fdisk on it. After doing this, the WD partitioning tool was very simple
to use. The size of the hard disk was correctly displayed in this tool.

Please note that I did not have an up-to-date fdisk program. I don't
know if Win98SE comes with an up-to-date fdisk program.

I do know that the WD utility disk will automatically install EZ-BIOS
onto the new hard drive, which I assume is needed to enable older
BIOS's, and perhaps the fdisk program, to work properly. Because my BIOS
does natively support a 160 Gig hard disk, I uninstalled EZ-BIOS.

All works well!

Alan  Hood
www.nwstsimracing.net - the original offline sim racing experience!


> My apologies for sneaking in a non-simming question.  I'd like to add a
> 250GB Western Digital hard drive to my system but I understand that there
> are obstactles to accessing drives over 137GB.  I bought a Promise PCI EIDE
> controller card which should (I hope) handle the hardware side of things,
> but will my OS (Windows 98SE) have any problems, provided that the drive is
> hooked up through the Promise controller?  Any other issues to beware of?
> (My MB is an ECS K7S5A with an Athlon 2000+ processor.)

> Thanks for your insights,
> itazura


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