rec.autos.simulators

> >Can you people who d/l F1-2000 post some machine specs vs fps (including
res
> >and settings)

> There is no FPS display that I am aware of.

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> I hate buying a game only to find out it doesn't run on even a middle of the
> road system (450mhz) without turning every detail off. That is bullshit and
> developers need to be punished for putting up system specs like 266 when
> their titles don't run on 600s with decent detail. And then they dare to
> give us frozen screen shots at max resolution/detail....*** that and ***
> them. Lets see those screen shots from the so called 266 req system.

> I beleive the two things any real driving sim should have are dead on
> physics matched by an outstanding frame rate....without these two the rest
> is insignificant. Give me card board cutout fans and trees...give me plain
> blue skys...give me so-so sound...but damn it GIVE ME A GAME THAT WILL BURN
> *** ON A 450 MAX DETAIL or raise the specs on your box to 1GHZ and loose
> the pack-bell owning, wallmart shopping, dear hunter loving, tech support
> calling CASH COW that you so love to take advantage of. Try making a REAL
> SIM that DRIVES FAST and you will not only have the simfanatics coming out
> in droves but you will also gain the trust and cash of the simmless.

>I hate buying a game only to find out it doesn't run on even a middle of the
>road system (450mhz) without turning every detail off. That is bullshit and
>developers need to be punished for putting up system specs like 266 when
>their titles don't run on 600s with decent detail. And then they dare to
>give us frozen screen shots at max resolution/detail....*** that and ***
>them. Lets see those screen shots from the so called 266 req system.

>I beleive the two things any real driving sim should have are dead on
>physics matched by an outstanding frame rate....without these two the rest
>is insignificant. Give me card board cutout fans and trees...give me plain
>blue skys...give me so-so sound...but damn it GIVE ME A GAME THAT WILL BURN
>*** ON A 450 MAX DETAIL or raise the specs on your box to 1GHZ and loose
>the pack-bell owning, wallmart shopping, dear hunter loving, tech support
>calling CASH COW that you so love to take advantage of. Try making a REAL
>SIM that DRIVES FAST and you will not only have the simfanatics coming out
>in droves but you will also gain the trust and cash of the simmless.

> >Can you people who d/l F1-2000 post some machine specs vs fps (including
res
> >and settings)

> >I hate buying a game only to find out it doesn't run on even a middle of
the
> >road system (450mhz) without turning every detail off. That is bullshit
and
> >developers need to be punished for putting up system specs like 266 when
> >their titles don't run on 600s with decent detail. And then they dare to
> >give us frozen screen shots at max resolution/detail....*** that and
***
> >them. Lets see those screen shots from the so called 266 req system.

> >I beleive the two things any real driving sim should have are dead on
> >physics matched by an outstanding frame rate....without these two the
rest
> >is insignificant. Give me card board cutout fans and trees...give me
plain
> >blue skys...give me so-so sound...but damn it GIVE ME A GAME THAT WILL
BURN
> >*** ON A 450 MAX DETAIL or raise the specs on your box to 1GHZ and
loose
> >the pack-bell owning, wallmart shopping, dear hunter loving, tech support
> >calling CASH COW that you so love to take advantage of. Try making a REAL
> >SIM that DRIVES FAST and you will not only have the simfanatics coming
out
> >in droves but you will also gain the trust and cash of the simmless.

> Just a minute. There's currently no game title I'm aware of which
> won't run beautifully on a 450MHz Pentium 2 with a decent 3D
> accelerator. It's easy to get carried away hearing about the latest
> 900MHz processors, with all the topics, and forget that what you're
> using is still a very decent *** system.

> You didn't mention which 3D card you were using. If you're not using
> one at all, then that's where your problem is. Avoid software
> rendering at all costs, if you can.
>   You can buy an excellent 3Dfx Voodoo3 2000 for around 70.00. With a
> card like that, you'll have no problems running even the most
> demanding of games at a reasonable resolution with most texture
> details turned up.

> Discussion over the minimum and recommended specs which game
> developers put on their boxes has been debated long and hard. You only
> need to read an issue of PC Gamer to see that they very rarely agree
> with the minimum specs on the box, and instead try give us a more
> realistic minimum spec. The game developer will usually put as low a
> spec as possible on the box, to increase the sales market to those
> with lower-end PCs. All they need to prove is that it will 'run' on a
> Pentium MMX 200MHz, for example. But they don't need to say how well
> it will run. Legally, they're not cheating anybody, because they are
> actually quoting a 'minimum' spec. Both technically and morally
> however, you should always think long and hard about the spec of your
> system and what is recommended. And if there's any chance that you
> might not be able to return the product, it's always a good idea to
> find out on-line (newsgroups are a perfect answer) what other people
> with a similar system to yours have felt about running it.

> Best regards...

> "Lisa, if you don't like your job, you
> don't strike - you just go in every day
> and do it really half arsed! That's the American way!"

>           - Homer J. Simpson

>>When I am alone on the track the game runs very smooth but as soon as other
>>cars are on the track FPS drop just as hard as World Online shares...

>LOL! :)

>>I am running a P3 - 450 mhz, 64 mb RAM, 20 gig DiamondMAX HD and a Voodoo3
>>3000 oc'ed to 180 mhz. That's about what every serious simracer has standing
>>nowadays and it doesn't really seem to be enough to race against the AI in
>>F12k... shit...

>>-- Sjon

>Have you turned the details down, and smoke and skids completely off?
>After that the fps should be ok...
>Reminds me of the time when GP2 was released, nobody could run it with
>all details on...

>Andre

> Tried Quake 3 Arena or Flight Simulator 2000 with any level of detail at
> all & above 640x480?
> They'll run on a PII 450, but I wouldn't describe it as beautifully.

> --
> Chuck Kandler  #70
> K&S Racing
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> http://topgear.dhs.org/  Come on & join the fun!

> They'll call you names
> And spit in your face,
> But legends never die.   --Gene Simmons

> I said:

> >>Just a minute. There's currently no game title I'm aware of which
> >>won't run beautifully on a 450MHz Pentium 2 with a decent 3D
> >>accelerator. It's easy to get carried away hearing about the latest
> >>900MHz processors, with all the topics, and forget that what you're
> >>using is still a very decent *** system.

> >>You didn't mention which 3D card you were using. If you're not using
> >>one at all, then that's where your problem is. Avoid software
> >>rendering at all costs, if you can.
> >>  You can buy an excellent 3Dfx Voodoo3 2000 for around 70.00. With a
> >>card like that, you'll have no problems running even the most
> >>demanding of games at a reasonable resolution with most texture
> >>details turned up.

> Notice how I said that without using a 3D accelerator, that's where
> the problems would be.

> And then you said:

> >What back shelf at Wallmart have you been finding your games at brother?
> >Because if by BEAUTIFULY you mean 600x400, 1/2 the detial disabled, 1/4
the
> >normal size racing field and 30fps then you may be right - otherwise sit
> >back down and be quiet because QUAKE III and The SIMs don't count.

> I fully stand by my previous post. Even Quake 3 on a 450MHz processor
> with a 3D card such as the Voodoo 3 (even the V3 2000) will run
> perfectly well, even in resolutions above 640x640.

> I did not say that running any game on a Pentium II at 450MHz in
> 'software rendering' would run beautifully. In most cases, new games
> won't run at all. But with the correct 3D accelerator it's still a
> stable *** system.

> Best regards...

> "Lisa, if you don't like your job, you
> don't strike - you just go in every day
> and do it really half arsed! That's the American way!"

>           - Homer J. Simpson

> >Can you people who d/l F1-2000 post some machine specs vs fps (including
res
> >and settings)

> >I hate buying a game only to find out it doesn't run on even a middle of
the
> >road system (450mhz) without turning every detail off. That is bullshit
and
> >developers need to be punished for putting up system specs like 266 when
> >their titles don't run on 600s with decent detail. And then they dare to
> >give us frozen screen shots at max resolution/detail....*** that and
***
> >them. Lets see those screen shots from the so called 266 req system.

> >I beleive the two things any real driving sim should have are dead on
> >physics matched by an outstanding frame rate....without these two the
rest
> >is insignificant. Give me card board cutout fans and trees...give me
plain
> >blue skys...give me so-so sound...but damn it GIVE ME A GAME THAT WILL
BURN
> >*** ON A 450 MAX DETAIL or raise the specs on your box to 1GHZ and
loose
> >the pack-bell owning, wallmart shopping, dear hunter loving, tech support
> >calling CASH COW that you so love to take advantage of. Try making a REAL
> >SIM that DRIVES FAST and you will not only have the simfanatics coming
out
> >in droves but you will also gain the trust and cash of the simmless.

> Just a minute. There's currently no game title I'm aware of which
> won't run beautifully on a 450MHz Pentium 2 with a decent 3D
> accelerator. It's easy to get carried away hearing about the latest
> 900MHz processors, with all the topics, and forget that what you're
> using is still a very decent *** system.

> You didn't mention which 3D card you were using. If you're not using
> one at all, then that's where your problem is. Avoid software
> rendering at all costs, if you can.
>   You can buy an excellent 3Dfx Voodoo3 2000 for around 70.00. With a
> card like that, you'll have no problems running even the most
> demanding of games at a reasonable resolution with most texture
> details turned up.

> Discussion over the minimum and recommended specs which game
> developers put on their boxes has been debated long and hard. You only
> need to read an issue of PC Gamer to see that they very rarely agree
> with the minimum specs on the box, and instead try give us a more
> realistic minimum spec. The game developer will usually put as low a
> spec as possible on the box, to increase the sales market to those
> with lower-end PCs. All they need to prove is that it will 'run' on a
> Pentium MMX 200MHz, for example. But they don't need to say how well
> it will run. Legally, they're not cheating anybody, because they are
> actually quoting a 'minimum' spec. Both technically and morally
> however, you should always think long and hard about the spec of your
> system and what is recommended. And if there's any chance that you
> might not be able to return the product, it's always a good idea to
> find out on-line (newsgroups are a perfect answer) what other people
> with a similar system to yours have felt about running it.

> Best regards...

> "Lisa, if you don't like your job, you
> don't strike - you just go in every day
> and do it really half arsed! That's the American way!"

>           - Homer J. Simpson