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FIA GT mod v2 cars over-powered?

Luke Phillip

FIA GT mod v2 cars over-powered?

by Luke Phillip » Mon, 03 Jun 2002 00:07:07

After playing around with the gt mod, knowing that v3 is coming out soon i
figured i'd cut a few laps to get used to it. The thing that striked me was
that the cars feel like they have too much torque, it almsot feels like you
are driving a 600hp cummins truck or something. I know that they have many
hundred hp but i think its sort of relative to the traction they have. The
viper spinning up at 140kmh with no clutch and soft a tyres seems a tad
over-done to me... Also coming out of a hairpin in 3rd and bagging it up
from almost idling revs with less than 1/2 throttle seems a little too much
torque down very very low. I know the hp ratings are correct for the game,
but does the game measure flywheel hp or hp at the wheels. Because if it
measures the hp at the wheels and flywheel hp has been entered in its like
running turbocharged cars, and thats how it seems at times. Has this changed
at all in the gt v3 mod? I will be really interested to see if this has been
addressed at all

--
Luke
-=87=-

Ian Bel

FIA GT mod v2 cars over-powered?

by Ian Bel » Mon, 03 Jun 2002 05:04:46

The particular power output at each 125 rpm increment modelled. There's a
lot more to it than entering a figure. The Physics engine takes the whole
drivetrain into account and engine and drivetrain inertia, clutch inertia,
and friction are all taken into account. Plus some of these cars are
producing almost 700BHP, and that's realistic.

Here's a listing for the viper.

[ENGINE]

EngineInertia=0.220
IdleRPMLogic=(1100.0, 1900.9)
AutoShiftRPM=6500.0
RevLimitRange=(6800.0, 100.0, 3)
RevLimitSetting=2
RPMTorque=( 0 , -25.10 , 0.00 )
RPMTorque=( 125 , -25.30 , 50.00 )
RPMTorque=( 250 , -25.50 , 100.00 )
RPMTorque=( 375 , -25.75 , 130.00 )
RPMTorque=( 500 , -26.00 , 145.00 )
RPMTorque=( 675 , -30.50 , 140.00 )
RPMTorque=( 750 , -35.00 , 145.00 )
RPMTorque=( 875 , -41.00 , 150.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1000 , -47.00 , 155.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1125 , -49.50 , 165.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1250 , -52.00 , 180.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1375 , -54.65 , 200.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1500 , -57.30 , 230.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1625 , -60.65 , 260.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1750 , -64.00 , 290.00 )
RPMTorque=( 1875 , -67.50 , 335.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2000 , -71.00 , 375.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2125 , -74.50 , 415.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2250 , -78.00 , 450.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2375 , -81.45 , 485.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2500 , -84.90 , 520.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2625 , -88.95 , 545.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2750 , -93.00 , 575.00 )
RPMTorque=( 2875 , -96.15 , 610.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3000 , -99.30 , 630.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3125 , -103.65 , 648.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3250 , -108.00 , 669.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3375 , -112.05 , 688.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3500 , -116.10 , 705.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3625 , -119.55 , 724.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3750 , -123.00 , 737.00 )
RPMTorque=( 3875 , -127.10 , 750.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4000 , -131.20 , 758.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4125 , -135.60 , 765.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4250 , -140.00 , 770.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4375 , -146.50 , 775.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4500 , -153.00 , 780.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4625 , -159.50 , 785.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4750 , -166.00 , 790.00 )
RPMTorque=( 4875 , -173.40 , 796.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5000 , -180.80 , 800.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5125 , -190.40 , 800.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5250 , -200.00 , 795.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5375 , -209.80 , 790.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5500 , -219.60 , 785.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5625 , -229.80 , 780.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5750 , -240.00 , 775.00 )
RPMTorque=( 5875 , -252.35 , 770.00 )
RPMTorque=( 6000 , -264.7 , 765 )
RPMTorque=( 6125 , -277.35 , 758.00 )
RPMTorque=( 6250 , -290.00 , 747.00 )
RPMTorque=( 6375 , -305.35 , 740.00 )
RPMTorque=( 6500 , -320.7 , 730 )
RPMTorque=( 6625 , -340.35 , 710.00 )
RPMTorque=( 6750 , -360.00 , 680.00 )
RPMTorque=( 6875 , -380.40 , 630.00 )
RPMTorque=( 7000 , -400.8 , 586 )
RPMTorque=( 7125 , -425.40 , 520.00 )
RPMTorque=( 7250 , -450 , 480 )
RPMTorque=( 7375 , -474.35 , 420.00 )
RPMTorque=( 7500 , -498.7 , 450 )
RPMTorque=( 7625 , -531.85 , 375.00 )
RPMTorque=( 7750 , -565 , 300 )
RPMTorque=( 7875 , -601.90 , 200.00 )
RPMTorque=( 8000 , -638.8 , 100 )
RPMTorque=( 8125 , -669.40 , 75.00 )
RPMTorque=( 8250 , -700 , 50 )
RPMTorque=( 8375 , -740.50 , 26.00 )
RPMTorque=( 8500 , -781 , 2 )
RPMTorque=( 8625 , -820.50 , 1.00 )
RPMTorque=( 8750 , -860 , 0 )
RPMTorque=( 8875 , -900.50 , -5.00 )
RPMTorque=( 9000 , -941 , -10 )

Ian


Dave Henri

FIA GT mod v2 cars over-powered?

by Dave Henri » Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:54:10

"Luke Phillips" <(
The

          Have you ever, Luke, attempted the pedal fix with DXtweek?    Part
of what you describe sounds like the split pedals not registering until you
have depressed your pedal approximentally 50% of it's travel.
      However, even with the pedals tweeked, I still use one of the low
helper settings...just to keep the car under me...(stability control I
think)  I may be a control freak, but I know my limits  ;)
dave henrie

Luke Phillip

FIA GT mod v2 cars over-powered?

by Luke Phillip » Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:10:13

But what about power loss? As a general rule a car will loose around 20-25%
of its power through the drivetrain. I know that my old lwff controller with
the short pedals and also the fact that 1/2 my pedal travel has gone even
tho dxtweak says that my deadzones are 0% but still. Ive been in 550hp
street cars and know that they wont spin up at 80kmh just by stomping on the
pedal, let alone ones with the traction that these cars would have. Dont get
me wrong tho, the work you guys have done is next to none, just something i
thought.

Luke
-=87=-


> The particular power output at each 125 rpm increment modelled. There's a
> lot more to it than entering a figure. The Physics engine takes the whole
> drivetrain into account and engine and drivetrain inertia, clutch inertia,
> and friction are all taken into account. Plus some of these cars are
> producing almost 700BHP, and that's realistic.

> Here's a listing for the viper.

> [ENGINE]

> EngineInertia=0.220
> IdleRPMLogic=(1100.0, 1900.9)
> AutoShiftRPM=6500.0
> RevLimitRange=(6800.0, 100.0, 3)
> RevLimitSetting=2
> RPMTorque=( 0 , -25.10 , 0.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 125 , -25.30 , 50.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 250 , -25.50 , 100.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 375 , -25.75 , 130.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 500 , -26.00 , 145.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 675 , -30.50 , 140.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 750 , -35.00 , 145.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 875 , -41.00 , 150.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1000 , -47.00 , 155.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1125 , -49.50 , 165.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1250 , -52.00 , 180.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1375 , -54.65 , 200.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1500 , -57.30 , 230.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1625 , -60.65 , 260.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1750 , -64.00 , 290.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 1875 , -67.50 , 335.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2000 , -71.00 , 375.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2125 , -74.50 , 415.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2250 , -78.00 , 450.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2375 , -81.45 , 485.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2500 , -84.90 , 520.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2625 , -88.95 , 545.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2750 , -93.00 , 575.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 2875 , -96.15 , 610.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3000 , -99.30 , 630.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3125 , -103.65 , 648.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3250 , -108.00 , 669.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3375 , -112.05 , 688.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3500 , -116.10 , 705.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3625 , -119.55 , 724.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3750 , -123.00 , 737.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 3875 , -127.10 , 750.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4000 , -131.20 , 758.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4125 , -135.60 , 765.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4250 , -140.00 , 770.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4375 , -146.50 , 775.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4500 , -153.00 , 780.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4625 , -159.50 , 785.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4750 , -166.00 , 790.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 4875 , -173.40 , 796.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5000 , -180.80 , 800.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5125 , -190.40 , 800.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5250 , -200.00 , 795.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5375 , -209.80 , 790.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5500 , -219.60 , 785.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5625 , -229.80 , 780.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5750 , -240.00 , 775.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 5875 , -252.35 , 770.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 6000 , -264.7 , 765 )
> RPMTorque=( 6125 , -277.35 , 758.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 6250 , -290.00 , 747.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 6375 , -305.35 , 740.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 6500 , -320.7 , 730 )
> RPMTorque=( 6625 , -340.35 , 710.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 6750 , -360.00 , 680.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 6875 , -380.40 , 630.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 7000 , -400.8 , 586 )
> RPMTorque=( 7125 , -425.40 , 520.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 7250 , -450 , 480 )
> RPMTorque=( 7375 , -474.35 , 420.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 7500 , -498.7 , 450 )
> RPMTorque=( 7625 , -531.85 , 375.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 7750 , -565 , 300 )
> RPMTorque=( 7875 , -601.90 , 200.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 8000 , -638.8 , 100 )
> RPMTorque=( 8125 , -669.40 , 75.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 8250 , -700 , 50 )
> RPMTorque=( 8375 , -740.50 , 26.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 8500 , -781 , 2 )
> RPMTorque=( 8625 , -820.50 , 1.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 8750 , -860 , 0 )
> RPMTorque=( 8875 , -900.50 , -5.00 )
> RPMTorque=( 9000 , -941 , -10 )

> Ian



> > After playing around with the gt mod, knowing that v3 is coming out soon
i
> > figured i'd cut a few laps to get used to it. The thing that striked me
> was
> > that the cars feel like they have too much torque, it almsot feels like
> you
> > are driving a 600hp cummins truck or something. I know that they have
many
> > hundred hp but i think its sort of relative to the traction they have.
The
> > viper spinning up at 140kmh with no clutch and soft a tyres seems a tad
> > over-done to me... Also coming out of a hairpin in 3rd and bagging it up
> > from almost idling revs with less than 1/2 throttle seems a little too
> much
> > torque down very very low. I know the hp ratings are correct for the
game,
> > but does the game measure flywheel hp or hp at the wheels. Because if it
> > measures the hp at the wheels and flywheel hp has been entered in its
like
> > running turbocharged cars, and thats how it seems at times. Has this
> changed
> > at all in the gt v3 mod? I will be really interested to see if this has
> been
> > addressed at all

> > --
> > Luke
> > -=87=-

Haqsa

FIA GT mod v2 cars over-powered?

by Haqsa » Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:51:06

That's the answer - you need to do the dxtweak trick.  Without it those
big deadzones make precise throttle control impossible.  First get
dxtweak 2 if you don't have it, that will allow you to change settings
more easily.  Run dxtweak2, check and make sure it is looking at the
correct controller, and save your current settings with a name like
"normal".  Then go to the accelerator and brake tabs on the right hand
side, and in the calibration window set the center value to 1 less than
the max value (some people get essentially the same results by doubling
the center and max values - I don't think it makes a difference).  Save
these settings under a new name, like "ISI".  Now you can switch between
the two by creating two shortcuts, one that has a command line of
"dxtweak2 normal" and the other with a command line of "dxtweak2 ISI".
Or you could even incorporate those command lines into a .bat file to
run each game.  Even though you will only need the ISI settings for SCGT
and EA's F1 series, they have no affect on Papyrus games.  So you will
only need to switch back to the normal settings for games like NASCAR
Heat or Need for Speed that use the DX calibration values.


Andreas Nystr?

FIA GT mod v2 cars over-powered?

by Andreas Nystr? » Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:37:24

Yepp, noticed the same!. When you dont have any gear in, just reving the
engine, its like a on/off-switch.
going from idle to max revs in .001 secs :)



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