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What would you change in GPL?

Kirk Lan

What would you change in GPL?

by Kirk Lan » Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:00:00

A superpatch to make it into a CART 3 of sorts :)

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>If you could improve on GPL, what would you change?

>Personally, I'd add in some weather effects.

>Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at
>Monza, to look more like they do in SBK.

>Tis about really...

>The Excelsior

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david kar

What would you change in GPL?

by david kar » Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:00:00

oh, god. . . .

sorry, but I don't see that in D. Hacker's _Bedford Handbook_, the Turabian
manual, Strunk & White, or in the MLA handbook--

Can you give me a source?  All mine indicate that the apostrophe IS indeed
required for possessive (given the usual and well-known exceptions).  I do
know that in recent decades, British models have been moving away from
over-punctuation (you see far fewer commas separating clauses, conjunctions,
etc., in British academic articles, for example, than you will in U.S.
journals).

Maybe that's it.  In any case, this thread has become (become?!) tiresome.
Since I don't believe you're the type to relax your grammar policing effort,
I'm now relaxing my attempts to tell you that that effort is futile, and
often rude and almost always beside the point.  My tablet's getting in the
way of the Momo.

DK


Wolfgang Prei

What would you change in GPL?

by Wolfgang Prei » Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:00:00


>You forgot "Clarks".
>The apostrophe is not mandatory for the possessive.  In fact, when  I was
>doing my primary and tertiary education, the apostrophe was only used to
>signify the contraction of (for example) "Clark is".  It was rarely, if
>ever, used to signify "ownership".

Fascinating information - that belongs into alt.usage.english, not
rec.autos.simulators. BTW, the only printed matter I could find that
has genetives without an apostrophe is the First Folio edition of
"Mr. William Shakespeares [sic] Comedies, Histories, & Tragedies",
published in 1623. Novels from the nine***th century already show the
modern use of the apostrophe for possessives.
You're not *that* old, are you?

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Bruce Kennewel

What would you change in GPL?

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Almost!
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Bruce Kennewel

What would you change in GPL?

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Yes?
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>oh, god. . . .

J

What would you change in GPL?

by J » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

A check-box to turning off auto-double-declutch.
Of course then we need some new sounds for gearbox-screeching.

Jens




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Wolfgang Prei

What would you change in GPL?

by Wolfgang Prei » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00


>A check-box to turning off auto-double-declutch.
>Of course then we need some new sounds for gearbox-screeching.

And how much fun that would be! :)

Wrrrroooooommmmmmmmmmmmm - kreeeeeeek - chrrrr - chRRRRR - klonk.

Btw, the new Alfa Romeo with the button shifter (the one that Jean
Todt is doing TV ads for) has an auto-double-declutch feature in real
life.

Why exactly do you want to turn it off?

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J

What would you change in GPL?

by J » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Me too, me too

Jens



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What would you change in GPL?

by J » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Could be the ultimate realism, paired with realistic gearbox-failure
:-)
The guys with clutch pedal would have alotta fun, I guess.

I've no idea, if I could drive that thing. But I wanna try it.

Jens




>>A check-box to turning off auto-double-declutch.
>>Of course then we need some new sounds for gearbox-screeching.
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>Why exactly do you want to turn it off?

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Grant Reev

What would you change in GPL?

by Grant Reev » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00


> Could be the ultimate realism, paired with realistic gearbox-failure
> :-)
> The guys with clutch pedal would have alotta fun, I guess.

> I've no idea, if I could drive that thing. But I wanna try it.

> Jens

for ultimate realism you'd also need a force feedback h-shifter...
so that you couldn't push it into gear until it actually goes
into gear, and you can feel the graunches as you mis-time shifts,
feel the increasing stickiness and crunching as you overheat and
destroy all the dog-rings in the simulated gearbox, etc. :)
Richard G Cleg

What would you change in GPL?

by Richard G Cleg » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

:>
:> Could be the ultimate realism, paired with realistic gearbox-failure
:> :-)
:> The guys with clutch pedal would have alotta fun, I guess.
:>
:> I've no idea, if I could drive that thing. But I wanna try it.

: for ultimate realism you'd also need a force feedback h-shifter...
: so that you couldn't push it into gear until it actually goes
: into gear, and you can feel the graunches as you mis-time shifts,
: feel the increasing stickiness and crunching as you overheat and
: destroy all the dog-rings in the simulated gearbox, etc. :)

  I think that with ultimate realism, when you crashed, your force
feedback steering-wheel would break your wrist and the pedals (also
forcefeedback), would surge forward sheering your ankles.

  Perhaps we can live without ultimate realism in force-feedback.

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Wolfgang Prei

What would you change in GPL?

by Wolfgang Prei » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00


>    Damnit!  I want my '55 Mille Miglia simulator!

>    Or (and Wolfgang Preiss will back me up on this), 1960s
>British touring cars will do just fine.  :-)

Of course I do! :)

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Eldre

What would you change in GPL?

by Eldre » Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:00:00


My SKILL... <g>

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Christer Andersso

What would you change in GPL?

by Christer Andersso » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Improve the realism of the AI. The unrealistic acceleration they get
now when we get really fast is not the way to do it :o). Remove the
feature where the AI automatically gets faster as we get faster,
replace it with an AI setup...

Three different chat-windows when online. One where everybody receives
chat (good for race information from for example the host). One where
only those in pit receives the chat (so, if you're in the pit, just
chat away). One where you direct the chat to a certain driver.

Remove the chase view, it's a sim for crying out loud :o).

A feature where you could preset the grid, both online and offline.

Add a feature so you can connect to an online race as a viewer. The
next viewers who connects to the race gets the first viewers ip and
connects to that computer instead, until that viewer host is full,
then just let the viewers become viewer hosts. The race host only
supports race data to the first viewer connected. I'm not going to
explain the whole implementation here, the developers can figure it
out by themself or write me :o).

Use a very simple physics model for the AI, so _we_ get all the fps we
need, cause the AI only have to look realistic, not feel realistic
:o).

Implement a feature so the sim can record how we drive and then let
the sim use this information to let the AI drive the way we do; same
racing line, braking points, turn-in points, apex, acceleration, top
speed. I raced Alison Hine, Alan Orton, Asgeir Nesoen online in an F2
race yesterday, and they are around my lap times. I would love to race
F2 AIs offline driving like these drivers, especially when there's no
F2 races online...

Remove the other cars tire squelling, especially if tire squelling is
used as a help for substituting g-forces. I really dont like this
feature online, especially noticable when you're trying to outbrake
someone and they lock their brakes. It makes outbraking unrealisticly
hard, IMO.

Fix the sound ques... As of now you're at optimum grip when the tires
squel during cornering, but you're at optimum braking when the tires
do not squel??? I would like it to be more consistent. Since we have
no feel of g-forces I suggest they do the tire squelling like in GP2
(the optimum grip is at a certain tire squel volume/spectra in
relation to the engine volume, for you who haven't driven GP2).

Only save driver input for replays and resimulate when the replay is
played. This makes for replay file sizes a 10th of current (see GP2
for inspiration :o)).

This will due for now... Dont know about rain, the F1 cars are as hard
to drive as is, so rain would just make it ridiculous, which makes me
think the physics need a bit polish... after that, rain would be nice
:o).

/Christer


> If you could improve on GPL, what would you change?

> Personally, I'd add in some weather effects.

> Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at
> Monza, to look more like they do in SBK.

> Tis about really...

> The Excelsior

> "ICQ #40620378"

Chris Schlette

What would you change in GPL?

by Chris Schlette » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

You can do this yourself.  GPaL, if and when it comes out, will help you do
this
even better. :?

Maybe, but nonetheless you are clogging up bandwidth with chat anyways, so
perhaps it should be saved for the SpyBoy interface instead?

No, add the ability to set up your own viewpoint for the perspective that
works best.  It may be a decent attempt at simulating 1967 GP racing on a
PC, but the PC has many inherent weaknesses and limitations that are imposed
on it.  If a driver can run better and cleaner in chase view, or rollbar
view, etc than he can in***pit view, then I'm all for it.

Now, that would be a nice feature.

Why in the first place?  I highly doubt there is a large audience for
viewing a online racing with a bunch of yahoos in it anyways.  And
personally, I'd rather be racing than watching someone else's race.

But nonetheless, your entire scheme (and I've read it on your page) doesn't
work the way you envision it.  Especially considering it would require that
the GPL server hand over all data (through the internet) to the first viewer
even if he can't or the server can't handle the load, in addition to
handling the load of the actual racers.  Only basic way you'd be able to do
this maybe is to have a dual server mode that both have access to the same
data, then one could be the racer's server and the other the observer server
(which can lag behind slightly, does not have to have the exact up to second
info) then the observer server can piecemeal info out to the viewers.

I disagree here.

Why? They can also be used to monitor how your opponent is braking too


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