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Like someone already said, Nascar have had similar "arranged
victories" too.

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---Jim

It's the car that crosses the finishline first that wins, not who led the most
laps.

There have been races lost for sillier things( although, I admit this one was
very silly) soCoulthard should have won. He didn't make a mistake. Btw, you're
from Finland, so you're not entitled to speak (too much biased), hehe.

It seems that the only time I'll enjoy F1 this year is by playing GP2/F1RS/GPL.

Oh well, Luckily enough, Eurosport is covering the full NASCAR/CART season :-)

Cheers!

Harald

---Jim

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Crying about 3G corners - the fact is that the drivers are decrying the
slowing down of circuits and the removal of 3+G corners

All they do is stay in line - yes there may be more overtaking in NASCAR
but the circuits have more than one racing line.  The skill in
overtaking in F1 is finding the place where overtaking is possible and
safe.  The cars are not carved from solid billets of steel, you can't
just push the guy in fron out of the way and get away with it.  If you
look at some of the more recent moves in F1 you can see how for a number
of laps the car behind has spent time cleaning the track, looking for a
gap and then making a calculated and safe move.

Then there's the minor point of proper racing circuits - sure a NASCAR
lap can approach a 200mph average but that's on a two or four turn
oval.  Before F1's obsession with slow corners both Silverstone and
Hockenheim had average lap times in excess of 150 mph, in the case of
silverstone this also included a 50 mph hairpin.  I'd like to see a
NASCAR car come anywhere close.

Please move this childish discussion somewhere else. Thank God for
personal taste, vive la difference etc.

Matt

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"Racing cars is like dancing with a chainsaw"
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Damn, that's only 8 times the population of the world.   Bristol holds more
than that!

Lessee, 16 or 17 Races, divided in to 42 billion, gives  2470588235.294 viewers
per race.  Are you seriously suggesting that 40% of the population watches F1?

Also, maybe that 4.5 Gs would impress me more if it was done somewhare besides
a 35mph chicane, which is the predominent feature of F1 'tracks'.

As opposed to a race from the start to the first turn?

MW

RCR had an 'extra' car in the field for the last race of Earnhardt's last champ
season, also.

MW

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I am sure about CART on Eurosport, but NASCAR? I hope the coverage is
really better
than last year... Is there any updated source (forget their VideoText)
where
you can find out when the rained out Atlanta race is shown? Website?

Eurosport is the channel I swear the most when watching! Screwed up
sound, missed
interviews, European commentary for CART races (no offense to the
British commentary,
but I prefer the original),...

l8er
ronny

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Except in NASCAR, it's the organiser's who fix races, not the Teams.

You got it wrong. NASCAR has at least a decade (if very, very lucky)
to go before it could compete with F1 for popularity- only the most
important soccer matches in the world cup beat F1 out- F1 is, per
event, the most watched sport in the world, with well over a billion
people watching each race.

But americans don't like it- they choose NASCAR. Even over CART, which
is almost surely the most interesting form of racing in the world, in
terms of althetic ability and intelligence combined with speed.

F1 may look like just a bunch of guys "driving in line", but if an
average driver took one of those cars out- *he wouldn't be in that
line*; you are watching the best of the best, and the worlds most
highly paid athletes- yes, even beating american basketball players.
Schumacher was contracted for nearly $40 million last year, if I
remember right.

If Jeffy got offered a drive in a formula one car, you think he'd hang
on to NASCAR? The only reason I could imagine he'd stay with NASCAR is
that he wouldn't want to have it displayed to the world that he
probably couldn't earn any points the whole season. You have to be an
athlete to win in open-wheel cars. This is one reason IROC has to go
with the stock car format; indaycar racers, who maintain heartrates of
165 for periods of 2 or more hours, and perform complex, almost
balletic manouvers with machinery while 4 or 5 G's are ripping through
them, are athletes. Not to mention the fact that open wheel cars are
*orders of magnitude* less safe than stock cars- no "trading paint",
no sloppiness allowed, without dire consequences. NASCAR drivers
are... well, billboard drivers. And yet, because of an intese emphasis
on drafting with big, un-aerodynamic bodies, it ends up having some
very interesting qualities, and is a sport I don't hate.

All this said, I *hate* formula 1. Elitist, snobbish, and tends to
stress it's althetes to the point of personality fracture. People go
in to formula one as one personality and leave quite another.

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:45:43 -0800, Andrew Carroll

It is only "false" when compared to sports like F1 which are
considered more "pure". NASCAR is not F1, and in any racing formulae
you race to the rules that are laid down and use them to your
advantage. NASCAR is no different in that respect, and when you try to
predict the yellows or the possibility of a yellow against a car's
strategy, you begin to appreciate the subtlety and the strategy
involved.

I still don't enjoy NASCAR anything like as much as I enjoy CART or
especially F1, but I can certainly understand why many people do enjoy
it. More to the point, despite my love affair with F1 I can readily
agree with anyone who hangs the boredom flag on the Australian race.
It has to be the most boring race I have ever seen, and while I don't
agree with what Coulthard did I have to love him for adding at least
one iota of e***ment or controversy to what was a monumentally dull
"race". Some may say the racing for third was close, but anyone who
knows F1 knew there was no way Fisichella could get close enough to
actually put a move on Villeneuve, and once that is established it's
no longer racing - it's just driving close together.

Cheers!
John