rec.autos.simulators

If Papy is going to abandon NASCAR, where do they go next?

They want to do multi-platform games - what is the most popular console
racer?  GT3, a sports car racing title.

And what is one of the most hoped for PC racing titles?  SCGT 2, a
sports car game that people were petitioning for last year but that will
probably never get made.

Does anyone here think Sierra is not aware of how much money the
publishers of GT3 are raking in?

Have you noticed how many other games are trying to cash in on GT3's
popularity?  Sega GT 2002, Pro Race Driver, Project Gotham Racing and
its sequel, etc.

Really Sierra/Papyrus couldn't do much better than to make the
definitive multi-platform sports car racing game.  Frankly all the other
efforts in this field are somewhat less than a full sim, so there is a
hole in the market, an angle they could take that would separate their
product from the rest of the field.  Well maybe I am full of BS too, but
we can always hope, can't we?

While we are dreaming, Sports Car Legends anyone?

;o)

GPL 58!

I was actually thinking GTA3, which AFAIK has outsold GT3 by a huge
margin.

GPL 76!

I'd be into that as long as ISI just made the engine and let someone
with a clue handle the physics, tracks, and graphics.  It would rule
if the fps-dependant physics were chucked out the window, too.

How much are they raking in?  Isn't it ridiculously expensive to get
the licensing rights to release a  game for any of the current
consoles?

I dunno.  Every console that's been released since the Atari 2600 has
had a ton of arcade racing games.

Didn't Sega GT debut in the arcades before the original Gran Turismo
came out?

Indycar Racing 3!

CART Racing 2!

Someone should make a Software Development Legends.  Dave Kaemmer, the
West Brothers, Sid Meier, Peter Molyneux, Yu Suzuki, etc. duking it
out in arenas modeled by ISI (and therefore nothing like the arenas
they'd be modeled after).  The secret combos would be great, Kaemmer's
defensive move could be the Papy Push, the Westies could have a
dual-rushing attack called the PR Fiasco, etc.

Jason

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I've been feeling the same way lately. For the first time I am seeing
console only games that I want! Plus, what's the deal with Microsoft
releasing X-Box only games, I feel jilted.

OTOH, looking around at the demise of Microprose, et alia, if Papy doesn't
come up with a raison d'etre pronto, profit-starved Vivendi won't waste a
second shuttering the place.  Boom.

        Your figures for movies are way off. Titanic made over $1.8 billion
        dollars world-wide. Harry Potter, Phantom Menace and Jurassic Park
        all over $900M dollars. Above $750M are also LOTR:FOTR, ID4,
        Spider-Man, Star Wars, ET, Lion King.

        If you combine movie+sequels, the count goes even higher. Even
        Mummy and The Mummy Returns together have a combined gross of
        over $800M. There are too many movies+sequels that have gross
        higher than $750M to list here, but you can look them up if
        you are interested. And these numbers don't even include home video
        revenues :-0.

                TTT

Console *** has it's peaks and valleys and pc *** is the constant.  If
history repeats, consol *** has once again oversaturated the market and
is headed for a decline.  MS's Xbox has been a big failure and will likely
be abandoned next year unless they do surprisingly well this holiday season.

-Tim

Possibly, but Sega GT 2002 took a more serious turn than the previous
version, with more vehicles in total, more niche vehicles that only a
hard-core car nut would be interested in, and a better physics model.
My opinion is that they changed the concept to try and go after the GT3
market.

Hmm, good point...

LOL!  Don't forget John Carmack, who would bludgeon people with his
techno-babble, and John Romero, who would whip people with his pony tail
and then crush them with stacks of unsold copies of Daikatana.

Yes the XBox, and even the Gamecube, might be toast.

Sony's PS2, on the other hand, is selling about three million units
per *month*. This is a VCR-like growth curve. It's not on a "sales
spike" - it's becoming a home appliance.

And Derek Smart.

<runs for cover>

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And the easy fact of the inflation on either PC games or movie tickets
(anybody should check out the adjusted gross of movies to see that most of
the stuff released today really doesn't get much audience)

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Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Join the club, said the Mac user    ;)

Regards, Ruud

A thing people rarely notice about Microsoft is that they rarely, rarely
really give up. They are quite prepared to lose a battle but win the war
eventually. Windows and MSN are cases in point.

They *will not* just give up after a year. They might rebrand,
reshuffle, rethink, but like a plague, they will be back. Never
underestimate Microsoft in that way.

Regards, Ruud

I wouldn't say Xbox has been a failure - it's not even 12 months old.  People
quickly forget that the PS2 was little more than a doorstop 12 months after it's
release - not a single decent game.  Having said that, I think Microsoft should
have taken a leaf out of Sony's book and marketed their system to the braindead
lowest common denominator.  Hype sells consoles - not quality.