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by **Damien Smit** » Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:30:00

Of course it did. The PS1 had a monopoly. It was only natural that Joe
Average was going to rush out and get a PS2 - especially since Sony had hyped it
to be 10 times more powerful than the Dreamcast - effectively killing Sega.
Never mind that instead of being 10 times more powerful, it turned out to be
more like 1.1 times more powerful. The ethics of Sony make Microsoft look like
angels.

Rubbish. I'm not aware of any developers complaining about the Xbox OS or
hardware. It's better than the PS2's in absolutely every department. There
haven't been any issues with the Xbox software. Stop spinning lies. The
biggest problem with the Xbox is the amount of dodgy PS2 games that have been
ported to it.

by **Schoone** » Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:05:29

MS buying out Sony? Ya sure that is going to happen. MS may have a lot of
money but they are in no position to make such moves. People like to focus
on MS and blame them for everything because they are a success. IMHO they
have done more than anyone to make the PC more mainstream. Sure the yare in
it to make as much $$$ as possible but isn't that the purpose of business.
I don't agree with everything they do but they certainly do some things to
benefit us all and make computing better.

> Well, I think MSFT and it's 40 billion in the bank can wait on whatever
PS2
> might come up with and just buy them out. It doesn't matter, it is just
> like monopoly when someone owns the most property and has the most money.
> It is just a matter of time.

> > > I wouldn't say Xbox has been a failure - it's not even 12 months old.
> People
> > > quickly forget that the PS2 was little more than a doorstop 12 months
> after it's
> > > release - not a single decent game.

> > Disregarding all the amazing games available on the PS2 when it hit 12
> > months, there is the fact that it sold massively more over the first
> > year of its life than the xbox, and is still outselling it today.

> > Also, Microsoft could fix Windows over and over until it was right,
> > but you can't fix problems in a sealed box, however big that box might
> > be. They can solve them with the xbox2, xbox3 and so on, but
> > unfortunately for them, Sony are one step ahead of them all the way.
> > The PS2 was a year old when the xbox appeared, yet is still mopping
> > the floor with it. Next time around, Sony will make another leap
> > forward with their product and its massive fanbase, while Microsoft
> > will still be working on xbox v1.1.

by **Damien Smit** » Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:29:38

Yeah, at least with the Xbox, they consulted true gamers and gave them what they
wanted.

by **Nic** » Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:30:04

> Well, I think MSFT and it's 40 billion in the bank can wait on whatever PS2
> might come up with and just buy them out. It doesn't matter, it is just
> like monopoly when someone owns the most property and has the most money.
> It is just a matter of time.

Microsoft buy out Sony?

by **Nic** » Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:45:07

> Rubbish.

No it isn't.

That's because Microsoft own them.

Except obviously sales, which is all that matters really. Independant
developers will naturally gravitate towards the largest market. Which
means the best games will appear on that particular console.

Except the games themselves, which aren't very good, with a few
exceptions.

I didn't start.

roflmao! Don't you want Burnout, Metal Gear Solid 2, SSX Tricky, the
Colin McRae Series, Timesplitters 2, Silent Hill 2, ISS 2, MoH
Frontline, or any good games at all? All of those series began on Sony
machines and have been ported, and they are all pretty damn good. The
PS2 is lucky that we don't have ports of that dumbass Project Gotham
or Abe's Exodus.

I think I touched a nerve...

by **Nic** » Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:14:38

Forgot to say, check this out:

http://www.xbox.com/news/0209/rarepressrelease.htm

Microsoft bought out RARE (developers of GoldenEye and Perfect Dark).
Sounds great, until you realise that all the guys who worked on
GoldenEye have moved on and have now just released Timesplitters 2 on
the PS2. Then a bunch of summer-placement undergraduates badly
converted that game to the xbox.

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:16:28

No

Gotham...

Ahem - Metropolis Racing? Or something like that.

Hasn't that series been on every available platform already?

I'll admit there are a lot of good stuff for PS2, but you couldn't pry
my Xbox out of my hands with a gun at this point. Each to his own.

by **Philste** » Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:22:38

Sorry about using your name :) I've been lurking in RAS for some years and
noticed your posts. I thought a nice chap like you wouldn't mind me using
your name ;) As for the whole Ymenard thing, I have to agree... Fran?ois
would probably qualify up front, then wreck the whole field (ala
superspeedway)!!! Sorry, Fran?ois, couldn't resist.

Aussie (hehehe could almost do a french joke here "Aussi = also) V8 would
rule... I love those cars. Too bad I can't distinguish one drivers (and
cars? 2 brands?) from one another.

p.s:. Fran?ois, reste en arrire Phoenix!

--
Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

> > What I would like to see:

> > A Car Wars/autoduel game! That would be nice indeed. You could enter
your
> > car in different types of features (for ex, a $10 000 car feature, 10
laps
> > no holds barred (doesn't matter if you're the last one standing), the 18
> > wheeler/bus challenge, the sub-compact with only on type of weapon
allowed,
> > etc).

> > Each event would be held at arenas (think of them as tracks) full of
twists
> > and jumps. You start your "career" with a predetermined amount of money.
> > Build a basic car and then smash the opposition with rocket launcher,
> > flaming oil jets, etc). You could finally wreck legally all those
boneheads
> > that used to wreck you on purpose in pick up races :)

> > Wouldn't it be fun... Goy Larsen's in the lead, drops some flaming oil
and
> > explosive spikes (heheheh) on lap 3 and take half the field out...
Ymenard,
> > who had the smart idea of buying auto-seal tires charges back and punts
Goy
> > out of the way with his plow-bumper, just to be amazed by John Simmons'
> > amazing display of bravardo in using the "jump" short cut and winning
the 10
> > laps feature at Hammer Downs.

> > All this in Papyrus-O-Vision (including smoke, fire effects (finally),
dirt
> > and oil on the windshield :), incredible visual damage on the cars,
etc).

> My name got mentioned in a thread I haven't participated in and which
> doesn't mention AussieV8's, guess Andy Warhol was right after all

> Btw, Yemanrd will never catch me, with or without cheats, he's too damn
> slow :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:37:49

> Sorry about using your name :) I've been lurking in RAS for some years and
> noticed your posts. I thought a nice chap like you wouldn't mind me using
> your name ;)

Why would I mind, the Andy Warhol reference was a suggestion that this
was *my* 15 mins of fame :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Bill Bollinge** » Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:57:22

They could do it very easily. The power that company has right now and the
resources they command is amazing. Heck, even with the crappy economy, MSFT
and INTC have a larger market cap than the entire American Auto Industy.

by **ymenar** » Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:23:54

> As for the whole Ymenard thing, I have to agree... Fran?ois
> would probably qualify up front, then wreck the whole field (ala
> superspeedway)!!! Sorry, Fran?ois, couldn't resist.

Hey! We are racing Daytona in two weeks ;)

Je dois remonter au clas***t. 6 courses restantes, 164 points en arrire
c'est trop mais je peux finir dans le top 3. Comme je disais en joke sur le
NROS Talladega : "Draft me if you want to finish second!". ;-D

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Damien Smit** » Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:11:40

Nice proof backing up your statement.

Yet another blatant lie. Do you enjoy lying constantly?

So you admit that you're happy to support inferior products simply because
they're popular? Sony adore people with that attitude. It means they can hype
the PS3 and deliver another let down like the PS2 and still watch the dollars
roll in.

Which is a few more exceptions than the PS2 had when it was 12 months old.
Strictly personal opinion of course.

Feel free to quote me on something that has been factually wrong. Can't?
Didn't think so...

Nope. I prefer games that use a console's potential like Halo, Rallisport
Challenge, Dead or Alive 3, Splinter Cell etc.

You usually will touch a nerve when you spread ridiculous lies.

by **Jeff Leonar** » Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:22:20

This would be a good start...but what I want is a game that simulates the
opening sequence in "Mad Max". (NOT Road Warrior!) The muscle car chase
idea would make a great game...you could even mix in a little RPG factor
with the other members of the MFP. Picture if you will:

RADIO: " This is Pursuit 1. We've got to stop these bikers before they reach
civilization! We are westbound on Anarchy road at mile 17. Who can
intercept?"

RADIO: "This is Goose. I'm four miles from your position heading east. Get
the Interceptor out here."

At which point, you head out from your position, using your map window to
get to a intercept point. Then, you chase down the badguys who use all sorts
of weapons, drop debris, etc. to knock out you & the other MFP's before you
can knock them out. All with realistic physics, etc. Make it a dynamic
campaign with the loss/addition of officers & gangs. Must repair vehicles
after missions if funds available, or motor fleet gets rag-tag. Upgrade
vehicles as your career advances. As MFP forces lose pursuits/officers,
bigger & tougher gangs move in. I could write about 20 specific missions off
the top of my head, but make it a dynamic world. Maintain law & order
through patrols, etc. And multiplayer would be awesome, but DON'T make it
online only. Then it's just quake on wheels.

Think I-76 meets Hot Pursuit.

I would buy it, anyways.

Jeff

by **Damien Smit** » Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:08:28

Oh dear. Scouring the net for anti-xbox stuff. I'm afraid you are what's
known as a 'fanboy'

by **Nic** » Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:50:39

> Oh dear. Scouring the net for anti-xbox stuff. I'm afraid you are what's
> known as a 'fanboy'

lol. Actually an xbox 'fanboy' sent me the link...

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