rec.autos.simulators

by **Robert Jorda** » Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:41:41

Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 will
become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own the Nascar
license. You can
say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and not
release anymore nascar titles which we both lose.
I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small step
backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming aspects of
NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see some of the n2003
features in it (probably due to input from ex papyrus employees). I just
dont think we will see many PATCHES for it to improve it in the coming
year.. Do you think we will still be playing this game 3 months from today?

PassedYa

by **Tony Rickar** » Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:55:35

Have I skipped several months here? Don't tell me I missed the release of GPL2
as well...

by **ymenar** » Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:08:00

> Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 will
> become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own the Nascar
> license.

No. The future of nascar racing *simulations* on the PC will be NASCAR
Racing 2003 by Papyrus.

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by **Jason Moy** » Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:58:49

On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:08:00 -0400, "ymenard"

>No. The future of nascar racing *simulations* on the PC will be NASCAR
>Racing 2003 by Papyrus.

Until a simulation comes out that surpasses NR 2003 it will be the
finest sim ever made, much in the same way that GPL is the finest
open-wheeled sim ever made.

Jason

by **Don Burnett** » Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:27:55

> Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003
> will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own
> the Nascar license. You can
> say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and
> not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose.
> I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small
> step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming
> aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see
> some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex
> papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it
> to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be
> playing this game 3 months from today?

> PassedYa

I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about it so far.
If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imho we are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as their finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come.
Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much online racing anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papy just spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability.
Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again...

--
Don Burnette

by **Gerry Aitke** » Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:39:58

> Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003 will
> become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own the Nascar
> license. You can
> say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and not
> release anymore nascar titles which we both lose.

EA lose, not me.

by **Larr** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:39:48

It will be interesting to see if EA handles the responsibility of having
that franchise well.

If they don't, we can only hope Nascar see's it for what it is, and
allocates it back to Papy/Sierra in the future.

Anyone know how long the agreement is for ?

-Larry

by **Larr** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:45:18

The problem here is how long the match service stays up?

It's my understanding that they removed some code that makes NR2002 no
longer work with third-party match-making services. Would that be put back
in to NR2003 ?

-Larry

> Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003
> will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own
> the Nascar license. You can
> say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and
> not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose.
> I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small
> step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming
> aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see
> some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex
> papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it
> to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be
> playing this game 3 months from today?

> PassedYa

I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about it
so far.
If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imho we
are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as their
finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come.
Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more
interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much online racing
anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny
thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papy just
spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability.
Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again...

--
Don Burnette

by **Larr** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:43:36

And this is entirely possible.

We cannot forget that the Papy that brought us these thrilling simulations
is no more. That team has long-since broken up, and the current team is
working with a legacy that they inherited from the originating crew.

The deplorable damage physics and AI of NR2002 are key indicators of this.
The physics are really the only thing that remain "Papy" like IMHO.

It's quite possible some other team can out-do Papy now, and I look forward
to it.

Unfortunately, NT2003 ain't it. It has it s nice points, but it's not a
true simulation like we've come to know and love. It's a game for the
masses, not for the hard-core simmer.

-Larry

> On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:08:00 -0400, "ymenard"

> >No. The future of nascar racing *simulations* on the PC will be NASCAR
> >Racing 2003 by Papyrus.

> Until a simulation comes out that surpasses NR 2003 it will be the
> finest sim ever made, much in the same way that GPL is the finest
> open-wheeled sim ever made.

> Jason

by **Eldre** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:48:45

> I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small step
>backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming aspects of
>NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see some of the n2003
>features in it (probably due to input from ex papyrus employees). I just
>dont think we will see many PATCHES for it to improve it in the coming
>year.. Do you think we will still be playing this game 3 months from today?

Truthfully, I don't care if anyone will still be playing next WEEK. From what
I"ve heard so far, I don't have any intention of getting it...

Eldred
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by **Bill Bollinge** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:17:47

If it is put back, you could have a user run service, gamespy or whomever
run it without a problem. They striped out the server broadcast part. I
believe it is still within N2002, they just don't allow it as an option in
the ini file like we had in GPL.

> The problem here is how long the match service stays up?

> It's my understanding that they removed some code that makes NR2002 no
> longer work with third-party match-making services. Would that be put
back
> in to NR2003 ?

> -Larry

> > Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003
> > will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own
> > the Nascar license. You can
> > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and
> > not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose.
> > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small
> > step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming
> > aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see
> > some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex
> > papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it
> > to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be
> > playing this game 3 months from today?

> > PassedYa

> I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about
it
> so far.
> If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imho
we
> are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as their
> finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come.
> Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more
> interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much online racing
> anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny
> thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papy just
> spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability.
> Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again...

> --
> Don Burnette

by **Wil** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:43:53

> It will be interesting to see if EA handles the responsibility of having
> that franchise well.

> If they don't, we can only hope Nascar see's it for what it is, and
> allocates it back to Papy/Sierra in the future.

> Anyone know how long the agreement is for ?

> -Larry

I've heard it's for 6 years. :(

by **Larr** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:30:02

This is exactly what I was talking about.

-Larry

> If it is put back, you could have a user run service, gamespy or whomever
> run it without a problem. They striped out the server broadcast part. I
> believe it is still within N2002, they just don't allow it as an option in
> the ini file like we had in GPL.

> > The problem here is how long the match service stays up?

> > It's my understanding that they removed some code that makes NR2002 no
> > longer work with third-party match-making services. Would that be put
> back
> > in to NR2003 ?

> > -Larry

> > > Well it appears that whether we like it or not, Nascar Thunder 2003
> > > will become the future of nascar racing on the PC since they now own
> > > the Nascar license. You can
> > > say we just will not buy it and EA will just sit on the license and
> > > not release anymore nascar titles which we both lose.
> > > I just think ,after playing the game alot lately, that its a small
> > > step backwards from what we had in N2003. There are some redeeming
> > > aspects of NT2003 but overall, its not a crisp package.You can see
> > > some of the n2003 features in it (probably due to input from ex
> > > papyrus employees). I just dont think we will see many PATCHES for it
> > > to improve it in the coming year.. Do you think we will still be
> > > playing this game 3 months from today?

> > > PassedYa

> > I won't be playing this game period from what I have seen and read about
> it
> > so far.
> > If that is the future for our Nascar sim racing, especially online, imho
> we
> > are in trouble. Hopefully Papy will make a killer update to N2002 as
their
> > finale, and we can use it for online racing for a long time to come.
> > Perhaps if I did more must offline racing with the ai I might be more
> > interested in it, but then again I really don't do that much online
racing
> > anymore, no where near what I used to back when we had N2 on Ten. Funny
> > thing is, I am enjoying the hell out of F12002 offline. I guess Papy
just
> > spoiled us with their excellent mutliplayer capability.
> > Sure would be nice to see them develop an open wheel sim again...

> > --
> > Don Burnette

by **Larr** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:30:15

Oh, my...

-Larry

by **Jason Moy** » Wed, 23 Oct 2002 02:40:55

>Anyone know how long the agreement is for ?

Uh, EA has had a NASCAR license for several years. I don't see any
reason why Papy/Sierra couldn't continue making Nascar Racing series
games, except that they're probably bored out of their skulls by now.

Jason

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