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Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:54:39



>My point is that after a certain point (imho, about $ 1 million) there's
>generally no *real* need for further financial improvement. Gates or
>Jobs don't need to work for the money anymore in the real sense. After a
>certain point, even they might realize what they want is success, not
>the money itself.

Well, I'd certainly think that someone who has $1 million is a success...

So, if you were somehow able to amass that much money, you'd give everything
over $1 million away to others?  Forgive me if I say that I don't believe that.
 However, we'll never be able to test that.  I could SAY that I'd be happy with
a couple million, but there's no way to prove it.

Also, what's the incentive for someone that rich to keep working?  I know I
wouldn't bust my ass day after day if I was forced to give away all the 'extra'
income...  I'd just sit back, relax, and live off my interest.

Eldred
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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:11:00


> Fester, when I'm ready to start my revolution, you will be one of the
> first people I call....:-)

:-)  I'll be there brother.

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Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:45:48


> Existential question, God, does he really exist and does he play GPL ?

Well, when he does, he gives aliens reasons to be humble, so...

Regards, Ruud

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:50:18


>>>of people around the world to teach "the starving masses" how to grow their
>>>own food and feed themselves.  Yet, people still starve.  Seems to me that
>>>something is wrong with those people,

>>That's a rather naive, dangerous and/or undereducated point of view. The
>>very point that led to slavery, in fact. "They" are inferior, "we" are
> You know Ruud, he's proposing the exact opposite of slavery - freedom, education
> and opportunity instead of the PC slavery of government hand-outs.

Ahem, no he's not. Sounds like what he is proposing is the classic "we
is sOOperiOr"-line.

Apart from that, when you're on the brink of starvation (possibly
because of "global freedom - for the wealthy nations that is, of
course"), you're gonna be darned glad to take any PC government hand-out
any ***y day. It's not like you have a choice in such conditions!

Regards, Ruud

PS. Now I forgot what this had to do with LFS...

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:52:47


> Gates is carrying around all that in his wallet as cash.

> Except for a small amount he probably keeps liquid, the rest of that money is
> out working in the economy, creating jobs and businesses for everyone else.

Let me phrase my answer in a truly eloquent "BWAHAHAHAHA..!"

Dude, the only one this money does work for is Gates himself.

Regards, Ruud

PS. Now if HE would fund GPL II.... that would be a useful purpose, kinda.

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:01:20


> Keeping people from starving is ALWAYS worth correcting.  I simply disagree
> with your methods for doing so.

And you're welcome to. They're pretty far out there by conventional
standards, no doubt. But a new point of view is probably useful (i hope).

Well, they're not directly related, but they're related. Bill and other
billionaires having excessive wealth (note the excessive) and not being
limited to do so in any way, means green light for unequal distribution
of wealth. If not limited, this tends to result in HUGE wealth for some,
and often HUGE poverty for many. Imho, that's worth an adjustment,
without leaving Bill c.s. poor.

Regards, Ruud

PS. I'd rather see the Papyrus guys cash in than Bill...

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:12:33


>>really mean to say you find it a good thing that you have to pay to be
>>treated in a hospital ??

> I have always heard that you get what you pay for, so yes, absolutely.
> Do you honestly believe that you have to be rich to be well educated?

"I have always heard that you get what you pay for, so yes, absolutely."

A generous man is someone who gives till it hurts. Bill is not a
particularly generous man until he donates about 58 billion dollars, and
then he still has 1000 million left!

That's for sure, alas.

Yes and no. Yes in the absolute sense, and no in the sense that stealing
$ 1000 from a billionaire is not the same as stealing from some poor sod
who makes $ 90 a month.

Bill wouldn't even notice if he had $ 1000 stolen... If he sneezes, he's
made that much already.

Like I said, I don't condone theft per se, but a Robin Hood-type action
where 50+ billion is transferred from Bill to Africa, I'd welcome, since
it would still leave BG with a cool coupla billion dollars to live on.
(It's not that I'd want to see Bill poor himself, although that would be
the first chance the man had to build some character...)

Regards, Ruud

PS. Now where's LFS gone    ;)

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:27:28


>>>It's called capitalism, and free enterprise.

>>Yes. And when left uncontrolled, it's a monster that will devour you or
>>me. Enron was a pretty good case in point, a warning sign even for

> Enron was caused by dishonesty and greed.  

Yes, that's incorporated in capitalism as well. (Hey, it's not a system
that says "care for other people first".) Or would you say the Enron and
Worldcom people weren't capitalists?    ;)

True.

No. The problem is more that when left uncontrolled in the *real* sense,
(not the American "society serves business instead of the other way
around"-sense) it tends to eat every resource it can find, including
people. Microsoft and Enron are pretty good cases in point.

That's why I think capitalism should be confined to business, not
government or society as a whole. It should be more strictly controlled.

No, I don't think my country (the Netherlands) is "best". That's more
like a typical American spoonfed dogma  ;)   In some ways we score
pretty good (weed anyone?  ;), and bad in others.

Nobody of us, in general, leaves their country unless they have to. But
if I could just live where I wanted, I'd be sitting on a beach in Hawaii
with a nice laptop playing GPL instead of soggy northern Europe   ;)

Regards, Ruud

Ruud Dingeman

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by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:34:31


> So, if you were somehow able to amass that much money, you'd give everything
> over $1 million away to others?  Forgive me if I say that I don't believe that.

Eldred, believe me my man: if I had a *million* dollars, I'd have no
problem whatsoever with giving away the rest.

I'm not one of these people who has to have more just because it makes a
nice number that keeps on growing... Heck, if I had half a million...

(And like I said, as soon as I'd sink under a certain minimum (let's say
the 100.000 dollar mark) I'd be allowed to build it up again.)

Yeah, but sitting at home all day usually gets boring for any working
man/woman, wealthy or not. After all, BillG is still working too (alas).

But I think I'd finally get the time on lowering my too-average GPL
laptimes..!   ;)

Regards, Ruud

Todd Walke

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by Todd Walke » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:36:53


Oh so now just giving isn't enough -- you have to give to the point that
it actually damages you financially in order for it to count? Wow.

They are both crimes and they are both wrong. You are simply attempting
to justify stealing from the billionaire in order to support your
position.

So what? It's HIS $1000 and you and I have no right to it.

So how long have you known Mr. Gates personally? I assume that you do
since you are making statements about his character. What did Bill do to
you to make you so bitter toward him?

If you don't know Bill personally I can only assume that your comments
are motivated by jealousy and envy.

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Todd Walke

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by Todd Walke » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:41:47


The very concept of the government "allowing" you to build wealth makes
my skin crawl. I can't believe there are people in the world who believe
this is the right way to run things. I thought the liberals in this
country were bad -- they ain't got nothin' on the Euro-libs...

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Uwe Schuerkam

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by Uwe Schuerkam » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 18:31:45


> A perfect system for anything with sub-human intelligence - sign up the
> socialists!

Mother Culture sings again, my superior friend.

Regards,

Uwe

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Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:56:15

[sarcasm]Now that is a surprise... an american quoting something describing
the the complete and utter destruction of others. [/sarcasm]
Sad that so many of you apparently believe in your own propaganda.

I guess you also think it's ok to burn books about Darwinism and instead
teach kids that God made us all in his image... no need to accept
evolutionary facts about flocks ?? How long will you allow religion to rule
your country ?

Please please please show me the difference between your religious right
wing fanatics &  Muslim fanatics ? Somehow it seems you do not really
understand the importance of seperating politics and religion, despite being
so offended that muslims cannot seperate those issues either.
When you want to scare the american people, show them a bunch of dirty
muslims praying to Allah while holding guns, I see the same picture when
looking at american troops holding guns saying they will get the enemy "by
the will of God".
Different god, same way of thinking....it honestly scares me.

Mikkel




> >Do you wonder why geese live in flocks, and it works well for
> >them? To you wonder why fish live in swarms, and it works well
> >for them? Bees in hives? Flowers ooops ;-)

> A perfect system for anything with sub-human intelligence - sign up the
> socialists!

>  Scott Johnson
>  "A group like al-Qaeda cannot be deterred or placated or
>   reasoned with at a conference table. For that reason,
>   this struggle will not end with a treaty or accommodation
>   of terrorists. It can only end in their complete and
>   utter destruction."  -VP*** Cheney

Top Sirloi

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by Top Sirloi » Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:35:05



YAWN.

You don't know me, and you obviously don't have a clue about life in the US.

-Scott Johnson
 "There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than
  to have soft, chubby, fat-looking children who go
  to watch their school play basketball every Saturday
  and regard that as their week's exercise."
                       - John F. Kennedy, 1962

Top Sirloi

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by Top Sirloi » Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:38:45


>Ahem, no he's not. Sounds like what he is proposing is the classic "we
>is sOOperiOr"-line.

I'm not familiar with that line.

Most starvation comes not from lack of food, but from crappy government
policies. Do a news.google.com search on Zimbabwe.

We need a couple more tracks, 16 cars in multiplayer, and more people online
serious about racing.

-Scott Johnson
 "There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than
  to have soft, chubby, fat-looking children who go
  to watch their school play basketball every Saturday
  and regard that as their week's exercise."
                       - John F. Kennedy, 1962


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