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> > And it's OK to steal from the rich? Gotcha.
> You could argue that in some cases, YES, it's OK to steal from the rich.
> If somebody robbed Bill Gates and gave 90 per cent of his $ to the poor,
> (Hey, *I'd* cheer on such a modern Robin Hood) I can't say I'd feel
> particularly sorry for Bill, who'd still have billions galore.
> The inequal distribution of wealth in this world sometimes is a greater
> crime than mere theft.
> Regards, Ruud
> PS. Note I said "some" and "sometimes" though... I wouldn't condone
> (software) theft per se.
As someone else pointed out - you put your neck on the line to build a
business and then have someone take your profits to distribute to
others. I think you would QUICKLY change your opinion.
Grow up!
No I couldn't because it's a ridiculous concept.
Bill Gates worked his ass off for his money and is reaping the rewards
of his hard work and ingenuity. Why does that give someone else the
right to decide that money is theirs instead?
And if it's OK to rob from the "rich" then where do you draw the line?
Someone who is worth a million? Half a million? Who decides who it is OK
to steal from and who isn't?
Karl Marx would have loved you. Equal distribution of wealth has been
tried. It failed miserably.
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> > You're better off stealing the Mondeo, less chance of it breaking down when
> > you're escaping the Police ;)
> If you were going to go to all that risk and effort to steal a car,
> why would you steal a Mondeo?
Beers and cheers
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So there's a good chance my Mondeo will still be here in the morning then ?
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I just hope the radio is still in there !! ;)
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> You MUST be living in a socialistic country OR you don't understand
> the difference between capitalism and socialism?
I have. I used to think a lot like you. Now I see things a bit less
black and white.
Regards, Ruud
> No I couldn't because it's a ridiculous concept.
Hahaha. Bill Gates is an advocate's son and hasn't really worked *really
worked, as in down in a ***y coalmine* a day in his life.
Bill Gates and ingenuity. Welcome to la-la land, folks. I'll only
mention QDOS, RT-11, OS-8, Engelbart, Apple, Mosaic, Berners-Lee, Unix
and then let you ponder over the originality and ingenuity of Bill's works.
It doesn't. It just says that having $ 40.000+ million while other
people literally starve to death, is wrong and a situation worth
correcting. I never said theft is OK per se.
Ah, now there's the big question!
Nobody, since this will simply not happen (alas), at least for a while.
History tends to prove this kind of situation only gets corrected -
usually by ***y revolutions - when the elite/rich take it too far for
too long.
(Personally, I'd think it's plenty enough if you have $ 1 million.
Having more while others have far too little is basically excess, since
humanoids do not require Ferraris or Guccis as a basic requirement for
staying alive.)
Karl Marx would have turned in his grave if he had been able to see what
Stalin et al corrupted his (well-meant) theories into. What we saw in
the USSR was not what Marx had in mind at all, when he saw the appalling
conditions of workers near the end of the 19th century.
Unequal distribution of wealth has been tried as well, and failed just
as miserably if left uncontrolled. In case you hadn't noticed: Enron,
Microsoft, etc etc etc...
...Which brings us back to LFS (which should not be pirated, BTW, since
the makers are not excessively rich people yet - note the excessively ;)
Regards, Ruud
Oh, sure it is. Spin it any way you want it. That's freedom, right?
Note, if Gates did lose all his billions it would be just as wrong to
steal from him as well, imho. It's just the 'excessive' part that gets
my goat every time I remember there are thousands of people starving
this very minute.
Regards, Ruud
> Karl Marx would have loved you. Equal distribution of wealth has been
> tried. It failed miserably.
sorry but things aren't that easy, I'm afraid. It was hugely
successful for 99% of the time humans as smart as you and I
have walked the planet (about 3 Million years, in fact). If one
individual in the tribe suffers, the whole tribe suffers; if
the tribe is off well all members are off well.
Do you wonder why geese live in flocks, and it works well for
them? To you wonder why fish live in swarms, and it works well
for them? Bees in hives? Flowers ooops ;-)
It has nothing to do with Karl Marx at all who came into
existence much much later, already being blinded by our
cultural myth that our way to live is the way it was meant to
be for humans since the dawn of time.
In fact, the tribal system works well where people are still
allowed to live by it; it works so well that many members will
rather die than give in and be overrun by taker culture.
Have you noticed as a nice side effect the tribal system does
also *not* devour the planet's resources in record time, a mere
500 generations? It also does not convey the deadly meme that
humans are separate from the rest of the living community which
is in fact the most dangerous meme in our culture's reportoire.
Other stupidities include that humans are flawed from birth
(stupid, but harmless) and that our way of life was men's
destiny from the dawn of time (stupid, and slightly more
dangerous because it will convert others to your lifestyle once
you have overrun them).
Again, here's a link if you like to discuss these issues
further:
http://www.ishmael.org/Education/Writings/The_New_Renaissance.shtml
Sorry for the OT post. Film at 11.
Uwe
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Hey Ruud, before I add my comments let me say that I enjoy a healthy
debate and that is what this is to me. I have nothing against you or
your ideas. They are different than mine and that is what makes the
world interesting. Now on to the debate :-)
So the only "real" work is manual labor? Come on -- surely you jest.
It's amazing to me the people who berate Gates and downplay his
accomplishments. Think about it for a minute -- the man built a dy***
based on a product (Windows) that was OBVIOUSLY inferior to all of its
competitors. That is the hard work and ingenuity that I am speaking of.
Bill Gates gives millions each year to charities. But it's his money --
so what difference does it make? Even if he didn't give a dime, that
doesn't give anyone a right to decide that he has too much. If we let
the government decide that Bill has too much, how far down the road will
they decide that you and I have too much?
But if you have $2 million that you have earned and worked hard for, why
shouldn't you be able to keep every penny? If you take away financial
incentives for success, innovation will cease.
Enron has nothing to do with unequal distribution of wealth and
everything to do with human greed, pure and simple. And where does
Microsoft fit in?
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>If somebody robbed Bill Gates and gave 90 per cent of his $ to the poor,
>(Hey, *I'd* cheer on such a modern Robin Hood) I can't say I'd feel
>particularly sorry for Bill, who'd still have billions galore.
>The inequal distribution of wealth in this world sometimes is a greater
>crime than mere theft.
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Your missing the point Todd. He doesn't want to have to work for it. He
wants you to work for it and then have the government take it away from you
and give it to him. You will find it this way with most of the people that
cry for the redistribution of wealth. It's always those that want to sit at
home, watching Oprah and firing off b.s. posts on the internet, that think
that the answer to the world's woes is taking away from the rich and giving
to them. Of course, in this day and time when cheating in school and
juvenile delinquency are overlooked by the courts and parents, it's no
wonder that we're raising a generation that doesn't care one way or another
about anyone else.
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If you think that it would be wrong to steal from Gates then why do you use
him as an example? Why not use some other rich person who does not live in
this country? I have no love for Gates either but, he isn't the only rich
person in this world and rich people are not exclusive to the United States.
As for the part about people starving; it's getting quite old. Find another
tune to play. Americans have been feeding the world for over two hundred
years now and it doesn't seem to do any good. We started the Peace Corps
and various other charitable organizations and have sent tens of thousands
of people around the world to teach "the starving masses" how to grow their
own food and feed themselves. Yet, people still starve. Seems to me that
something is wrong with those people, who have been taught numerous times
how to do it. I'm getting a little tired of having the world point their
finger at this country and say things like "give us your food and money but,
don't even think about coming over here and kicking our asses just because
we have a bomb that we intend to use to kill you with."
Most of the so-called rich got to that point by working hard and long hours
and knowing what they are doing and you, or any other person, don't have the
right to say that they have too much money and it should be taken away from
them. If you want to be rich and give your money to the poor of this world,
then go for it. But don't look down your nose at anyone else that doesn't
share your views on the ways of the world.
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