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by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

After reading your report a couple of months ago, I got the idea to
visit the ring myself... great report.

Andre

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:43:47 +0300, "Hena H?kk?nen"

>>Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first
>>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel!

>Prepare yourself for a rough ride! :). But the downward G-forces are great,
>esp in Karusell. Read my report at http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>You can find links for Ring and Rouen reports from the bottom of the front
>page.

>Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here:
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :)

>Hena

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Great links by the way, but the Spa site missed a lot of photos,
shame. Oh well, saturday I'll see it in 3d :)

Andre

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:43:47 +0300, "Hena H?kk?nen"

>>Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first
>>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel!

>Prepare yourself for a rough ride! :). But the downward G-forces are great,
>esp in Karusell. Read my report at http://fgplc.figc.net/

>You can find links for Ring and Rouen reports from the bottom of the front
>page.

>Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here:
>http://puskarutaja.figc.net/spa.htm
>http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm
>The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :)

>Hena

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I'll second that comment!
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >Trivia:-
> >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never
actually
> >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat
tarmac;
> >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain
water!!

> All I know is that they're a *** to hit just right. <g>

> Regards,
> Brett C. Cammack
> That's Racing! Motorsports
> Pompano Beach, FL

by **Ed Solhei** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Andre,
Seems like some of the are misspelled or something.. 'cause all the pictures
can be found here:
http://puskarutaja.figc.net/Spa-Francorchamps/

Ed_
The GPLEAMGD

> Great links by the way, but the Spa site missed a lot of photos,
> shame. Oh well, saturday I'll see it in 3d :)

> Andre

> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:43:47 +0300, "Hena H?kk?nen"

> >>Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first
> >>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel!

> >Prepare yourself for a rough ride! :). But the downward G-forces are
great,
> >esp in Karusell. Read my report at http://fgplc.figc.net/

> >You can find links for Ring and Rouen reports from the bottom of the
front
> >page.

> >Also, if you're interested, lots of pictures here:
> >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/spa.htm
> >http://puskarutaja.figc.net/nurburgr.htm
> >The pages are in Finnish but the pics are great :)

> >Hena

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Trivia:-
> The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually
> designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac;
> the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!!

> It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and
> lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing
> there to follow suit.

You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp),
legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of
the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to
take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too

Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in
Mercedes' racing history.....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first
> time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel!

Don't do what I did, I was chasing an old 911 through the twisty bits,
and I thought he was going so slow through the banking that I decided to
go for an outside move...

Let me put it like this, it was proven beyond any doubt that you can go
considerably faster through the banked section, even if you are a wimp,
than you can go through the flat bit.........I must have chased that
slide for at least a 100 yards or so......good thing my old Ascona B was
well mannered when you took it beyond its limits :-)

If you get a chance to have a ride in the "Renn Taxi", take it, it's
some of the best money I've ever spend, I still have a VBFG whenever I
think back on that ride <VBFG>

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **Thorsten Ruete** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

No, you're wrong. They were designed as
banked corners. In the dim past the banked
parts were even tarmac.

Regards,

-Thorsten Rueter

> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >Trivia:-
> >The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never
actually
> >designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat
tarmac;
> >the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain
water!!

> All I know is that they're a *** to hit just right. <g>

> Regards,
> Brett C. Cammack
> That's Racing! Motorsports
> Pompano Beach, FL

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Cool, thanks Ed.

Andre

>Andre,
>Seems like some of the are misspelled or something.. 'cause all the pictures
>can be found here:
>http://puskarutaja.figc.net/Spa-Francorchamps/

>Ed_
>The GPLEAMGD

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>If you get a chance to have a ride in the "Renn Taxi", take it, it's
>some of the best money I've ever spend, I still have a VBFG whenever I
>think back on that ride <VBFG>

What's that Goy, a Renn Taxi?

Andre

by **Eldre** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

writes:

Cool! Who was the first? <g>

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp),
>legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of
>the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to
>take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too

>Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in
>Mercedes' racing history.....

Hans Stuch?
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

writes:

Somebody PLEASE send this man a copy of Grand Prix...<g>

Eldred
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by **Kirk Lan** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The problem is that GP2 and GPL have likely absolutely no similarities in
track formats. GP2s is obviously easier to crack - look at the number of
tracks and the editor!! The only reason you see converters of any kind
(notice how they are ALL from Papy to Papy? N2><ICR2, N3><NL, ICR2>N3>GPL,
etc etc) is because all Papy games have similar formats for the tracks.
Kinda like comparing DOS 6.22 to Win98SE. Enough differences that it takes
work to port something written especially for DOS 6.22 to 98SE, but enough
similarites that it is possible.

--
Kirk Lane

ICQ: 28171652
BRT #187

"Yeah you won't find me
I'm going MIA
Tonight I'm leaving
Going MIA
Getting lost in you again
Is better than being known"
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by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> > Trivia:-
> > The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually
> > designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac;
> > the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!!

> > It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and
> > lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing
> > there to follow suit.

> You are correct, at least according to Manfred von Brauchtisch (sp),
> legendary Mercedes team leader back in the 30's, I believe it was one of
> the pre war Mercedes drivers who used it first, in a last lap effort to
> take the win, and if memory serves me right, he was successful too

> Damn, can't remember the name, but it was one of the big names in
> Mercedes' racing history.....

Ugh, that's what I get from using my fading memory, the team leader was
of course Alfred Neubauer, and the driver was Rudolf
Caracciola.......sigh, I can remember that my memory was very good once,
but that's about all I can remember with certainty these days :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting
are the only true sports...all others are games."
--Ernest Hemingway--

by **Jo Hels** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:28:27 -0700, "Kirk Lane"

>The problem is that GP2 and GPL have likely absolutely no similarities in
>track formats. GP2s is obviously easier to crack - look at the number of
>tracks and the editor!!

Not necessarilly the right conclusion :-)

Paul Hoad started cracking the track format way back when F1GP was
released (1992?). Add to this the very "open" attitude of everyone
involved and the large userbase.

JoH

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