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zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

Phil Flac

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Phil Flac » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yes.  Pay me and I will be happy (and I might even make monza).  But
then you'll have to pay all those companies that will get advertising
(or some such licensing crap)...

Hmm.. never seen that movie.  Will have to buy from somewhere.

Phil
(still unconvinced about doing monza, because it's...  monza.  dull,
lifeless.  monza.  whoooo.  much more interested in fun tracks ;-)

Andre Warring

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Andre Warring » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Uhh... any guys want to donate some money also?

Aha. That explains a LOT...

Just go watch the movie damnit, before saying things like this! :)

Andre

Graeme Nas

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Graeme Nas » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I don't know that much about GPL track editing but I imagine there's a
difference between a car driving onto an object over the track, and a
car on a piece of track that goes over another. The GPL engine would
treat them differently and probably "allow" it.

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Graeme Nas

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Graeme Nas » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ?

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Dave Henri

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Dave Henri » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

  Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking.
I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that
GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the
Nascar tracks exceeded that?  The cars would stil run but exhibted odd
driving characteristics...
  Anyone remember this?
Dave Henrie

> >* I have no desire to make banked monza.

> Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ?

> --
> Cheers!
> Graeme Nash

Dave Henri

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Dave Henri » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

  Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking.
I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that
GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the
Nascar tracks exceeded that?  The cars would stil run but exhibted odd
driving characteristics...
  Anyone remember this?
Dave Henrie

> >* I have no desire to make banked monza.

> Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ?

> --
> Cheers!
> Graeme Nash

Jason Mond

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Jason Mond » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

You can do your own testing at the Pants Ring made by GPLEA
http://www.gpl.netti.nu/

LOL.  Now that track is hilarious.  Has anyone been able to ride around on
the Pants logo at the top of the bowl for more than 2 turns?  LOL.

Jason.


>   Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking.
> I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that
> GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the
> Nascar tracks exceeded that?  The cars would stil run but exhibted odd
> driving characteristics...
>   Anyone remember this?
> Dave Henrie

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Mike Barlo

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Mike Barlo » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

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>  Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking.
>I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that
>GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the
>Nascar tracks exceeded that?  The cars would stil run but exhibted odd
>driving characteristics...
>  Anyone remember this?
>Dave Henrie

    just curious.. What would the two banked turns be considered at
Nurburgring?  Anyhow, looking at the P-Ring, there might be a problem with
banking.  At first I thought it was just the two different formats (Nx vs.
GPL) but after seeing P-Ring I have my doubts.
Mike Barlo

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Mike Barlo » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>You can do your own testing at the Pants Ring made by GPLEA
>http://www.gpl.netti.nu/

>LOL.  Now that track is hilarious.  Has anyone been able to ride around on
>the Pants logo at the top of the bowl for more than 2 turns?  LOL.

    hehe.. ask any NASCAR driver,  they'll probably say yes.  After all, as
someone else pointed out, they make 4 turns out of an oval and never count
in any of the dog leg turns.<g>
Arto Wik

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Arto Wik » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

A great and extremely crazy track! It really seems to be possible to
make bankings to GPL... :-)
My record on the Pants logo is perhaps only something like 0.75 turns...
And then to the skies!

Arto

Ruud

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Ruud » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00


> The banked monza track is available for GP2. Could this be converted for GPL
> ?
> I am told that the GP2 format would make a good standard for all third party
> tracks.
> How about a GP2 to GPL converter.

WHERE??????
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Phil Flac

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Phil Flac » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The banking at the Pants Ring was designed so you could get the car at
90 degrees.  Thus it is made out of 16 invidually angled rings of
track.  Because of the limits of GPL, these sections are linearly sloped
- thus driving with the imposed minimal tyre contact patch is very
difficult.

Normally banked tracks either have smoothly curved cross-sections, or
are simply a piece of track where the outside has been raised - thus one
flat piece.

And no, the human controlled cars don't seem to exhibit any weird
physics, but the AI have big problems!

Oh, and just to throw another spanner in, I've discovered that it is
possible to slipstream with both cars in mid air !
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Phil


>   Didn't we here of problems with GPL cars on tracks with High banking.
> I'm not sure I remember the thread, but wasn't the summary that
> GPL's car physics are limited to a certain # of degrees and some of the
> Nascar tracks exceeded that?  The cars would stil run but exhibted odd
> driving characteristics...
>   Anyone remember this?
> Dave Henrie


> > >* I have no desire to make banked monza.

> > Then surely it's time to "share the knowledge" ?

> > --
> > Cheers!
> > Graeme Nash

Shaun Robinso

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Shaun Robinso » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

www.alphaf1.com/gp2
i forget where it is, but its there.

> The banked monza track is available for GP2. Could this be converted for GPL
> ?
> I am told that the GP2 format would make a good standard for all third party
> tracks.
> How about a GP2 to GPL converter.

Andre Warring

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Andre Warring » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the first
time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel!

Andre

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"


>Trivia:-
>The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were never actually
>designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the flat tarmac;
>the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of rain water!!

>It was only after some smart drivers started to use the "banking" and
>lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by everyone racing
>there to follow suit.

Chris Bloo

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Chris Bloo » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

That should be very interesting Andre.  Just don't go too fast,
rememeber there is no Shift-R in real life and I will be
interested to hear your accounts of the real life circuit.

Somehow I very much doubt it's as realistic as the one in GPL.<G>

Chris



>Interesting. Coming saturday I will drive on the Ring for the
first
>time (in real life), I'll let you know how those bankings feel!

>Andre

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:34:57 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>>Trivia:-
>>The two banked turns (Karussell and the mini-Karussell) were
never actually
>>designed as "banked" corners. The road surface is actually the
flat tarmac;
>>the banking was designed as a gutter to allow rapid run-off of
rain water!!

>>It was only after some smart drivers started to use
the "banking" and
>>lowered their lap times that it became accepted practise by
everyone racing
>>there to follow suit.

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