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zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

m.seer

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by m.seer » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Suzuka....

Somehow I doubt it. Tell me if I'm wrong but in GPL you cannot have a
crossover because of problems with collision detection. Ain't this why the
general concensus is that the Monza banking is a no-no?

MS

m.seer

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by m.seer » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

And at Silverstone Tim.
The trouble starts when groups of cars start passing underneath.

MS

David Ewin

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by David Ewin » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00


> i wrote that - what i said was the AI will try and avoid you if you are
> on the bridge above the track.  and it doesn't apply to figure of 8 bits
> of track, at least so i've heard...

If it's just an AI problem, then we could still race on VROC at Suzuka!

Dave Ewing

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Tim Vanhe

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Tim Vanhe » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

It's because of copyrights or something like that that we don't have a
banked Monza. It would be possible to make it I guess.
If they want to make a Monza they have to make it all over again without
using any part of the existing files. I may be wrong but I guess it's
something like that, right Phil?



Phil Flac

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Phil Flac » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

That's the sort of thing - or write a really clever program to 'insert'
the banking... Gulp!  Besides - it's only banked Monza!  (cue the
comments...)

Phil


> It's because of copyrights or something like that that we don't have a
> banked Monza. It would be possible to make it I guess.
> If they want to make a Monza they have to make it all over again without
> using any part of the existing files. I may be wrong but I guess it's
> something like that, right Phil?



> > Suzuka....

> > Somehow I doubt it. Tell me if I'm wrong but in GPL you cannot have a
> > crossover because of problems with collision detection. Ain't this why the
> > general concensus is that the Monza banking is a no-no?

Alison Hin

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Alison Hin » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring.

Suz?  Oops.  No comment.  And please stop drooling over your computer,
willya?  <grin>

Alison



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TRUSRS

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by TRUSRS » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)

Tim Vanhe

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Tim Vanhe » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00

YESYESYES!!
(sorry for the caps but this is great)



> Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring.

> Suz?  Oops.  No comment.  And please stop drooling over your computer,
> willya?  <grin>

> Alison



> >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the
zeltweg
> >and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl??  Where do they
come
> >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks.

> Alison



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Andre Warrin

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00

And if Suzuka is possible... then a banked Monza will be possible
too!!!

Andre



>YESYESYES!!
>(sorry for the caps but this is great)



>> Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring.

>> Suz?  Oops.  No comment.  And please stop drooling over your computer,
>> willya?  <grin>

>> Alison



>> >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the
>zeltweg
>> >and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl??  Where do they
>come
>> >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks.

>> Alison



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Dave Henri

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Dave Henri » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00

sure, just keep telling yourself that.  :)   Hey we got Daytona and
Indy, why not Monza?
dave henrie

> And if Suzuka is possible... then a banked Monza will be possible
> too!!!

> Andre



> >YESYESYES!!
> >(sorry for the caps but this is great)



> >> Zeltweg was Dave's original name for what became the Osterreichring.

> >> Suz?  Oops.  No comment.  And please stop drooling over your computer,
> >> willya?  <grin>

> >> Alison



> >> >When I started Alison's gplre yesterday I noticed there was also the
> >zeltweg
> >> >and suz folders. Does Zeltweg and Suzuka exist for gpl??  Where do they
> >come
> >> >from? I'm pretty sure no Papy sim has those tracks.

> >> Alison



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Andre Warrin

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I was thinking about the problem at Ascari, where the banking runs
over the Ascari corner (or just before the corner). Some people said
that a banked Monza would be impossible because the gpl engine
couldn't handle overlaying tracks. But if Suzuka is possible...

Andre


>sure, just keep telling yourself that.  :)   Hey we got Daytona and
>Indy, why not Monza?
>dave henrie


>> And if Suzuka is possible... then a banked Monza will be possible
>> too!!!

>> Andre

Olav K. Malm

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Olav K. Malm » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00


> I was thinking about the problem at Ascari, where the banking runs
> over the Ascari corner (or just before the corner). Some people said
> that a banked Monza would be impossible because the gpl engine
> couldn't handle overlaying tracks. But if Suzuka is possible...

Have anyone yet tried in a multiplayer race on Snetterton to put one
car on the bridge and let other cars race under it ? The AI messes up
since they think a car is in their way but what about human cars ? I
certainly have been under flying cars in first corner havocs.

A AI race at a banked Monza would be impossible, or at least
interesting each time two cars go over each other at the bridge.

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Andre Warrin

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

If that's true Olav, if the only problem with an overlaying track is a
crashing AI, then making a banked Monza for online racing shouldn't be
that hard? I don't know anything about track editing (wish I did, we
would have a banked Monza en Lemans allready now!) but adding a beeeg
steeep oval to the Monza track can't be that difficult to make?
Or am I thinking to simple here?

David? GPLEA friends? Pretty please?

Andre



>A AI race at a banked Monza would be impossible, or at least
>interesting each time two cars go over each other at the bridge.

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Phil Flac

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Phil Flac » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Here we go, time to set a few records straight:

* Making a banked track is easy.  I've done that.

* Making a cross-over should be possible (suzuka and all).  

* The AI *might* have a problem at the crossover point, but shouldn't

* I have no desire to make banked monza.

* IIRC, Monza when banked had the track broken into two down the s/f
straight, which makes life easier.

* The way I make tracks, it will not be possible to have any objects
placed around the cross-over (so no bridge as there is now).

* Strange stuff might happen if you try and access the opposite part of
the track around the cross-over (which might be the case because the
'ceiling' around all tracks is 1000ft).

* To make banked monza, you would have to recreate the entire track
over, because it would be A Bad Thing to hack the existing monza to add
the banked oval.

Phil

If there is no spoon, how do they drive at Suzuka ?


> If that's true Olav, if the only problem with an overlaying track is a
> crashing AI, then making a banked Monza for online racing shouldn't be
> that hard? I don't know anything about track editing (wish I did, we
> would have a banked Monza en Lemans allready now!) but adding a beeeg
> steeep oval to the Monza track can't be that difficult to make?
> Or am I thinking to simple here?

> David? GPLEA friends? Pretty please?

> Andre



> >A AI race at a banked Monza would be impossible, or at least
> >interesting each time two cars go over each other at the bridge.

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Andre Warrin

zeltweg and Suzuka for gpl??

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Ok, first problem is out of the way :)

Going great so far!

Even if the AI had problems, no problem, we can still use it for
online racing! Great!!!

Another problem out of the way! This is really gre- ...

...

What?

Why not? I'll gladly pay you for it... are you for hire?

Ok, I forgive you. But only if you do make a banked Monza then :)

I don't quite understand this one...

Let me handle this.
Dear Mr. Cassidy, would you mind if we, being fanatic Papy fans and
all that, borrowed the Monza track for making it even more beautiful
than you did? Ok, thanks. Phil, go ahead.

Seriously Phil, go watch the movie Grand Prix. After you saw that
movie, you'll surely want to make a banked Monza?

Andre


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