rec.autos.simulators

by **Thomas E. Retkowsk** » Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Consider this the formal proposal for the new newsgroup. Start adding
the yes votes for this. While the comments about the GP2 being released
are valid, the point is NASCAR, ICR and GP should be seperate areas.

by **'John' Joao Sil** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>>Consider this the formal proposal for the new newsgroup. Start adding
>>the yes votes for this. While the comments about the GP2 being released
>>are valid, the point is NASCAR, ICR and GP should be seperate areas.

>Pardon the comment Thomas, but wher did YOU come from, I don't recall
>seeing to many posts from you recently, if you are only interesed in
>Nascar or ICR or whatever set up you newsreader to ignore other stuff.
>I personally give this idea ther BIG no, i don't want to have cross
>posted articles from 5 or 6 newsgroups to wade through.

>Anthony

I also vote NO!

I did not cry when I had to wade through tons of posts about Hawaii and
Daytona and the king etc.

I just ignored those threads using a simple threaded newsreader 'trn'.
I guess if they really got on my nerves I could have even added hawaii to
my kill file. Seems now that GP2 mania is in full swing our oval racing
friends want to really disrupt things by breaking up our favorite
newsgroup and making us wade through a bunch of different groups which all
basically deal with the same thing.

I say, just wait a few weeks and the gp2 posts will die down and we will
be back to the usual Nascar2 threads and the I saw Elvis playing Nascar at
Daytona on ET threads.

If you really can't stand it, then by all means get a real newsreader and
stop using that terrible Netscape as a newsreader, get one that has real
features like killfiles and threading.
By the way, in my limited use of Win95 newsreaders, NewsXpress and Gravity
seemed to offer these features and they were free, although probably other
ones do also.

Now if only GP2 finally comes out here in the good 'ole U.S. of A soon!

Cheers.

--John
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John (Joao) Silva
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva
Seattle, Washington USA.

by **Double Clut** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I vote NO.

There isn't enough traffic here to warrant creation of another group. When a
new product comes out there is usually a flood of posts about it, but overall
the number of posts here never gets too high.

by **John Wallac** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I disagree.

I personally love all the sims and race each of them. We all learn more
from hearing each other's views, and it's easy enough to ignore the
stuff you don't want.

Us GP fans had to suffer an avalanche when Hawaii arrived, and probably
another with NASCAR2 - it'll die down soon.

Cheers!
John

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by **Keith Speron** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> >>Consider this the formal proposal for the new newsgroup. Start adding
> >>the yes votes for this. While the comments about the GP2 being released
> >>are valid, the point is NASCAR, ICR and GP should be seperate areas.

> >Pardon the comment Thomas, but wher did YOU come from, I don't recall
> >seeing to many posts from you recently, if you are only interesed in
> >Nascar or ICR or whatever set up you newsreader to ignore other stuff.
> >I personally give this idea ther BIG no, i don't want to have cross
> >posted articles from 5 or 6 newsgroups to wade through.

> >Anthony

> I also vote NO!

> I did not cry when I had to wade through tons of posts about Hawaii and
> Daytona and the king etc.

> I just ignored those threads using a simple threaded newsreader 'trn'.
> I guess if they really got on my nerves I could have even added hawaii to
> my kill file. Seems now that GP2 mania is in full swing our oval racing
> friends want to really disrupt things by breaking up our favorite
> newsgroup and making us wade through a bunch of different groups which all
> basically deal with the same thing.

> I say, just wait a few weeks and the gp2 posts will die down and we will
> be back to the usual Nascar2 threads and the I saw Elvis playing Nascar at
> Daytona on ET threads.

> If you really can't stand it, then by all means get a real newsreader and
> stop using that terrible Netscape as a newsreader, get one that has real
> features like killfiles and threading.
> By the way, in my limited use of Win95 newsreaders, NewsXpress and Gravity
> seemed to offer these features and they were free, although probably other
> ones do also.

> Now if only GP2 finally comes out here in the good 'ole U.S. of A soon!

> Cheers.

> --John
> --

I also vote no, i think Ed would too, he would have to go from the ICR
newsgroup and the Nascar one back and forth to answer questions. Plus, i
like to hear about ICR2 and GP2 even if i only have Nascar.

-Keith Speroni
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/2172

by **Thomas E. Retkowsk** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I will take the leadership role if no one else will...just point me in
the right direction as to whom i need to contact.

by **dickb** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I agree fully.

by **Tony Joh** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:23:27 -0500, "Thomas E. Retkowski"

Actually, to submit a proposal for a newsgroup, there's a pretty long
and detailed RFD process involved. Unfortunately, it's not as simple
as just saying "Let's make a news group".
--
Tony Johns (Hawaii: IWCCCARS)
IWCCCARS Project Coordinator

by **Ron R.** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:23:27 -0500, "Thomas E. Retkowski"

>>Consider this the formal proposal for the new newsgroup. Start adding
>>the yes votes for this. While the comments about the GP2 being released
>>are valid, the point is NASCAR, ICR and GP should be seperate areas.
>Actually, to submit a proposal for a newsgroup, there's a pretty long
>and detailed RFD process involved. Unfortunately, it's not as simple
>as just saying "Let's make a news group".

Or maybe in some cases, fortunately :)

My 1.5 cents.
Ron R II

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by **Anthony Bullo** » Sun, 21 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Pardon the comment Thomas, but wher did YOU come from, I don't recall
seeing to many posts from you recently, if you are only interesed in
Nascar or ICR or whatever set up you newsreader to ignore other stuff.
I personally give this idea ther BIG no, i don't want to have cross
posted articles from 5 or 6 newsgroups to wade through.

Anthony

by **Tony Joh** » Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Silva) sent shooting through ***space:

[snip]

The issue here is really a lot bigger than just the release of GP2.
NASCAR is coming out with the NRL pretty soon, which is its own racing
series in its entirety. The sheer amount of information necessary for
the NRL requires its own group; if not rec.autos.simulators.nascar,
then rec.autos.simulators.nrl or something.

Another thing to consider is the fact that Ed and Adam at Papyrus have
been getting flamed by everyone for the ICR patch lately, when they
DON'T EVEN WORK ON THE BLASTED ICR SIM! Mix into the bunch all the
cross-flaming about how one racing style (open wheeled vs. stock car)
kicks ass over the other, the general flames directed at certain
simulators by fans of others... that is NOT productive traffic.

Splitting up the newsgroup will not make information harder to find --
if anything, people will know BETTER where they can find info on a
particular simulator. FYI, rec.autos.simulators will STILL be around.
People will just go to the specific newsgroups in case they want to
find purely NASCAR, F1, or ICR information WITHOUT wading through
piles of Screamer, Need for Speed, etc. posts.

By the way, I've talked with some Papyrus people and they're VERY
reluctant to stick around here thanks to the cross-flaming and
non-sequitorism. I think splitting the rec.autos.simulators groups
into divisions would ease some of the pressure on them a bit as well.

My .00002 cents...
--
Tony Johns (Hawaii: IWCCCARS)
IWCCCARS Project Coordinator

by **Kyle Langst** » Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>The issue here is really a lot bigger than just the release of GP2.
>NASCAR is coming out with the NRL pretty soon, which is its own racing
>series in its entirety. The sheer amount of information necessary for
>the NRL requires its own group; if not rec.autos.simulators.nascar,
>then rec.autos.simulators.nrl or something.
>Another thing to consider is the fact that Ed and Adam at Papyrus have
>been getting flamed by everyone for the ICR patch lately, when they
>DON'T EVEN WORK ON THE BLASTED ICR SIM! Mix into the bunch all the
>cross-flaming about how one racing style (open wheeled vs. stock car)
>kicks ass over the other, the general flames directed at certain
>simulators by fans of others... that is NOT productive traffic.
>Splitting up the newsgroup will not make information harder to find --
>if anything, people will know BETTER where they can find info on a
>particular simulator. FYI, rec.autos.simulators will STILL be around.
>People will just go to the specific newsgroups in case they want to
>find purely NASCAR, F1, or ICR information WITHOUT wading through
>piles of Screamer, Need for Speed, etc. posts.
>By the way, I've talked with some Papyrus people and they're VERY
>reluctant to stick around here thanks to the cross-flaming and
>non-sequitorism. I think splitting the rec.autos.simulators groups
>into divisions would ease some of the pressure on them a bit as well.
>My .00002 cents...
>--
>Tony Johns (Hawaii: IWCCCARS)
>IWCCCARS Project Coordinator

Thanks, Tony, for making the issue much clearer to everyone that
doesn't seem to understand.

Kyle Langston

by **MNesevit** » Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I think there should be seperate groups for each division of auto racing.
Just as John said, people like the swap info.But it's really easy to just
ADD the groups you want to read. I vote YES for
rec.auto.simulators.nascar
Mick

by **'John' Joao Sil** » Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>I think there should be seperate groups for each division of auto racing.
>Just as John said, people like the swap info.But it's really easy to just
>ADD the groups you want to read. I vote YES for
>rec.auto.simulators.nascar
>Mick

It might be easy for you, but I assure you it's not easy for all of us.
Some of us have to ASK our news admins to add new groups, and as an
example lots of us (me included) still dont get the binary group where
people post patches and such, because our admins cannot spare the
bandwidth and storage space.

Don't assume that your own experience is automatically just as easy for
all others.

Cheers.

--John
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http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva
Seattle, Washington USA.

by **DaVeNg** » Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>>Consider this the formal proposal for the new newsgroup. Start adding
>>the yes votes for this. While the comments about the GP2 being released
>>are valid, the point is NASCAR, ICR and GP should be seperate areas.
>I disagree.
>I personally love all the sims and race each of them. We all learn more
>from hearing each other's views, and it's easy enough to ignore the
>stuff you don't want.
>Us GP fans had to suffer an avalanche when Hawaii arrived, and probably
>another with NASCAR2 - it'll die down soon.

I would have to disagree about adding more newsgroups. This is
perfectly fine as it is. I have all the auto sims and I enjoyed
driving them all. :)

What's the big deal anyways?? Is it because now the big sim nowadays
is GP2 and not Hawaii(NASCAR)?? Huh??

It seems as though everyone is starting to whine now, now that GP2 is
out. Boo Hoo!!

It also looks like some of the NASCAR boyz are jealous of the
attention that GP2 is getting now. Face it NASCAR is getting old, but
it's still a goodie..

I know I can at least kick ***on the ovals with you all...But let's
goto the road courses now..!! You know World Status type courses..

Later Lamers...