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Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

Ervin Leonar

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

by Ervin Leonar » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?  On N1 I believe the
brakes and acceleration were strickly on/off buttons(I could be wrong).
But I am curious does N2 support Porportional brakeing and acceleration?

Jim Sokolof

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

by Jim Sokolof » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00


> Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?  On N1 I believe the
> brakes and acceleration were strickly on/off buttons(I could be wrong).
> But I am curious does N2 support Porportional brakeing and acceleration?


N2 brakes and throttle (exactly like N1) are analog. If you are using
digital buttons for braking, there is a low pass filter applied to your
inputs. (So that when you get off the gas and onto the brake, the
transition occurs smoothly, so as to not upset the car.) As a result
"tapping" the digital brake button can be used to trail the brakes into
a corner. However, that's damn hard to do well.

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

Jeff Vince

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

by Jeff Vince » Mon, 23 Dec 1996 04:00:00



>Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?  On N1 I believe the
>brakes and acceleration were strickly on/off buttons(I could be wrong).
>But I am curious does N2 support Porportional brakeing and acceleration?


   It depends on the controller you're using.  If you're using a
binary control (such as a keypress or joystick button), its binary.
If you use an analog controller (joystick, wheel, pedals, etc) you'll
get analog control (essential for steering, preferable for throttle/
brake, IMHO).  This is true of all recent Papyrus sims (ICR1/2,
NASCAR1/2).


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Michael E. Carv

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

by Michael E. Carv » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00


:
: >Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?  On N1 I believe the
: >brakes and acceleration were strickly on/off buttons(I could be wrong).
: >But I am curious does N2 support Porportional brakeing and acceleration?

:
:    It depends on the controller you're using.  If you're using a
: binary control (such as a keypress or joystick button), its binary.
: If you use an analog controller (joystick, wheel, pedals, etc) you'll
: get analog control (essential for steering, preferable for throttle/
: brake, IMHO).  This is true of all recent Papyrus sims (ICR1/2,
: NASCAR1/2).
:

To add to this discussion.  It seems that even if one has an analog
controller (Thrustmaster T1 or T2), that if the brake/accelerator is
fully depressed it then becomes strictly on.  This really shows itself
under heavy braking.  Even though Papy does not model locking of brakes,
it does to a weird degree.  If one pressed the brake "to the floor" and
holds it there the sim will simulate locked front wheels.  In other
words there is no affective braking or steering.  In order to get proper
braking one needs to apply the brakes about 90%.  In real life one would
expect to be able to fully depress the brake and then let off when the
tires begin to lock.  I have played with manual ABS (pumping brakes),
but find that I get better braking in N2 by depressing the pedals about
90%.  The drawback to this approach means one needs to start braking a
little earlier than the AI.

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Greg Cis

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

by Greg Cis » Wed, 25 Dec 1996 04:00:00


> Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?  On N1 I believe the
> brakes and acceleration were strickly on/off buttons(I could be wrong).
> But I am curious does N2 support Porportional brakeing and acceleration?


It is analog if your controller is analog (like a T2). It is ON/OFF eg digital
if you are using the keyboard or J-Stick buttons.
jr..

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

by jr.. » Wed, 25 Dec 1996 04:00:00

N2(and all of Papy's racing sims) only support "Touch response" throttle
and braking with pedals. Keyboards and Joystick buttons are not configured
to work with Touch Response.

- Jeff Copperthite

Chuck Stuar

Are N2 brakes and acceleration ON/OFF or analog?

by Chuck Stuar » Sun, 05 Jan 1997 04:00:00


> N2 brakes and throttle (exactly like N1) are analog. If you are using
> digital buttons for braking, there is a low pass filter applied to your
> inputs. (So that when you get off the gas and onto the brake, the
> transition occurs smoothly, so as to not upset the car.) As a result
> "tapping" the digital brake button can be used to trail the brakes into
> a corner. However, that's damn hard to do well.

But what if I am passing high?

--
Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA  
RaceTime utility program for Nascar1/Indycar2.  
http://www.metronet.com/~cstuart/


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