rec.autos.simulators

by DR » Sat, 20 May 1995 04:00:00

: I've been wondering about these Steering wheel sets you can get for
: Racing sims. Steering with a boggo-standard joystick is obviously
: analog, but braking/accelerating using the fire buttons is digital ie
: either on or off.

: Using pedals from a Steering Wheel driving set, do I get analog
: control over the throttle & brakes? I'm fed up accelerating/engine
: braking/braking to try and keep my distance behind cars at crucial
: moments. I'd rather just ease off the gas and maintain a constant
: speed at times.

I use a joystick with the forward axis as the throttle, that way I can
apply a little gas for cruising under yellow, or flat out down the
straights. I still use the thumb button for the brake as it takes too
long to pull the joystick back!

Took me an afternoon to get used to it. And now I can actually *drive*
Portland!

I believe the T1 has analogue pedals for the throttle and brake. I can't
afford one, so I'm trying to build my own.....

DR J

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by **Stuart Boo** » Sat, 20 May 1995 04:00:00

I've been wondering about these Steering wheel sets you can get for
Racing sims. Steering with a boggo-standard joystick is obviously
analog, but braking/accelerating using the fire buttons is digital ie
either on or off.

Using pedals from a Steering Wheel driving set, do I get analog
control over the throttle & brakes? I'm fed up accelerating/engine
braking/braking to try and keep my distance behind cars at crucial
moments. I'd rather just ease off the gas and maintain a constant
speed at times.

Or am I just dreaming?!

Stuart.
Stuart Booth
Transport Routeing Software

by **David C. GIllso** » Sat, 20 May 1995 04:00:00

> I've been wondering about these Steering wheel sets you can get for
> Racing sims. Steering with a boggo-standard joystick is obviously
> analog, but braking/accelerating using the fire buttons is digital ie
> either on or off.

> Using pedals from a Steering Wheel driving set, do I get analog
> control over the throttle & brakes? I'm fed up accelerating/engine
> braking/braking to try and keep my distance behind cars at crucial
> moments. I'd rather just ease off the gas and maintain a constant
> speed at times.

> Or am I just dreaming?!

> Stuart.
> Stuart Booth
> Transport Routeing Software

I am currently using a joystick to control the game. I found
that instead of buttons for gas, set the control options so that when
you push up on the joystick you accelerate, and when you pull back
the brake is applied. Use the buttons for shifting and a keyboard
button for reverse.
The reason for this is that the gas works in a linear fashion.
The farther you push it, the more gas it gives the car. It may take
a little while to get use to this type of config, but it improves game
performance by 100%.

by **Fraser Mun** » Sun, 21 May 1995 04:00:00

>>I've been wondering about these Steering wheel sets you can get for
>>Racing sims. Steering with a boggo-standard joystick is obviously
>>analog, but braking/accelerating using the fire buttons is digital ie
>>either on or off.

>>Using pedals from a Steering Wheel driving set, do I get analog
>>control over the throttle & brakes? I'm fed up accelerating/engine
>>braking/braking to try and keep my distance behind cars at crucial
>>moments. I'd rather just ease off the gas and maintain a constant
>>speed at times.

>>Or am I just dreaming?!

>>Stuart.
>>Stuart Booth
>>Transport Routeing Software

> I am currently using a joystick to control the game. I found
>that instead of buttons for gas, set the control options so that when
>you push up on the joystick you accelerate, and when you pull back
>the brake is applied. Use the buttons for shifting and a keyboard
>button for reverse.
> The reason for this is that the gas works in a linear fashion.
>The farther you push it, the more gas it gives the car. It may take
>a little while to get use to this type of config, but it improves game
>performance by 100%.

Yeah, but what is the effect of pushing _both_ pedals at once? On
a joystick, the one axis is used for accelerator / brake, so the
problem doesn't arise. A steering wheel setup uses the same interface
as a joystick, except the axis is split over two pedals. It would be
really great if you could use left-foot braking techniques ( i.e.
have your foot on the gas and brake at the same time ), as used in
real 2-pedal setup F1 cars ( e.g. Jordan, McLaren ). I somehow
suspect, however, that a) the control interface is not up to it
b) any current racing game does not have the ability to simulate
input from an accelerator / brake at once. Any ideas??

Fraser.

by **Stuart Boo** » Wed, 24 May 1995 04:00:00

>I use a joystick with the forward axis as the throttle, that way I can
>apply a little gas for cruising under yellow, or flat out down the
>straights. I still use the thumb button for the brake as it takes too
>long to pull the joystick back!

Ahhhh, the penny drops. Never thought of that! Thanks for the tips
everyone!!!

Stuart...
(Still thinking about buying a T1 though... d8-)
Stuart Booth
Transport Routeing Software

by **Allen Dol** » Thu, 25 May 1995 04:00:00

>>Yeah, but what is the effect of pushing _both_ pedals at once? On
>>a joystick, the one axis is used for accelerator / brake, so the
>>problem doesn't arise. A steering wheel setup uses the same interface
>>as a joystick, except the axis is split over two pedals. It would be
>>really great if you could use left-foot braking techniques ( i.e.
>>have your foot on the gas and brake at the same time ), as used in
>>real 2-pedal setup F1 cars ( e.g. Jordan, McLaren ). I somehow
>>suspect, however, that a) the control interface is not up to it
>>b) any current racing game does not have the ability to simulate
>>input from an accelerator / brake at once. Any ideas??

>>Fraser.

I have the CH pedals and they allow you two use both at once because when
you set them the cars mode it puts on pedal on each axis. i.e. the right
pedal is on x and the left is on y.

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by **Andrew S** » Sat, 27 May 1995 04:00:00

>Using pedals from a Steering Wheel driving set, do I get analog
>control over the throttle & brakes? I'm fed up accelerating/engine
>braking/braking to try and keep my distance behind cars at crucial
>moments. I'd rather just ease off the gas and maintain a constant
>speed at times.

Yes, the pedals on the Thrustmaster kit for example, are mapped to a Joystick
Axis, and therefore allow Analog input. In other words, you *can* feed in the
throttle gently, or dab the brakes.

I agree that digital brake/throttle is a weakness.

Sequential gearshiting is ok though (using joystick buttons). The real thing
(f1 cars) have been using sequential gearshifting for a few years now. I
believe that Indycars either have them now or will shortly.

Nope!

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by **Stuart Boo** » Mon, 05 Jun 1995 04:00:00

>>Using pedals from a Steering Wheel driving set, do I get analog
>>control over the throttle & brakes?
>Yes, the pedals on the Thrustmaster kit for example, are mapped to a Joystick
>Axis, and therefore allow Analog input. In other words, you *can* feed in the
>throttle gently, or dab the brakes.

Thanks for the info! This reminds me of another question I've got on
the T1 kit. How does it all fit together and plug into your PC?!

IE. Do you need 2 joystick interfaces for the wheel/gears and the
pedals or can a single joystick input be split between them with some
special adapter, or does the T1 have a combined input lead of some
sort?

I ask this because I use my AWE32 card as my joystick input at the
moment and I'm wondering if I'll need to acquire anything else in
order to get something like the T1 up and running.

Cheers,

Stuart.

Stuart Booth
Transport Routeing Software

by **Christopher P Lu** » Tue, 06 Jun 1995 04:00:00

>IE. Do you need 2 joystick interfaces for the wheel/gears and the
>pedals or can a single joystick input be split between them with some
>special adapter, or does the T1 have a combined input lead of some
>sort?

>I ask this because I use my AWE32 card as my joystick input at the
>moment and I'm wondering if I'll need to acquire anything else in
>order to get something like the T1 up and running.

I just recently purchased a T1 with hopes of using it in my AWE32
joystick port. It works fine for me. The wheel plugs into the
plug on the pedals (or is it the other way around) so you only need one
physical plug, as long as it supports dual joysticks (which the
AWE32 does).

- Max in CA

by **Fraser Mun** » Tue, 06 Jun 1995 04:00:00

While steering devices such as this should run off a standard
SoundBlaster joystick port, I would strongly recommend investing
in a really good port if you're going to spend the cash on the
wheel. This is particularly true if you're running a Pentium -
try the Thrustmaster ACM card which is rated for Pentium machines
and doesn't suffer from drift.

Fraser.

by **Stuart Boo** » Fri, 09 Jun 1995 04:00:00

[Query about plugging T1 into soundcard games port munched]

Thrustmaster ACM card?! This wheel set plan of mine just gets more
complicated! What is this? A custom games card for the T1/Thrustmaster
WCS/FCS sticks? How configurable is it interupts-wise? Do you have to
disable any other games ports in the PC at the same time?

And what makes it rated for Pentium machines?!!! I've got a P90...

Any info appreciated. Trying to find a supplier here in the UK's hard
enough let alone someone with knowledge about these things.

Stuart.

Stuart Booth
Transport Routeing Software

by **Stuart Boo** » Fri, 09 Jun 1995 04:00:00

Excellent, that it just what I needed to know! I really must read my
AWE manual sometime. I didn't know it supported dual joysticks you
know! I also don't know if I can swap left and right channels yet
either...

Duh!

Stuart.

Stuart Booth
Transport Routeing Software

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