rec.autos.simulators

I wonder how you take these (Fuchsrohre and Kesselchen)
two corners. In particular, the first uphill part of
Fuchsrohre has a bump where the car tends to bottom out,
which often creates big problems there. The only reliable
solution I know is to slow down a bit. However, I've made
this corner much faster (gaining 0.8-1.0 sec in that sector),
but that way it bottoms out sometimes, but not always.
I've tried different sides, different angles etc, but without
any conclusion. So what is the secret? :>

In Kesselchen (first right-left) I have similar problem with
the bump in the middle. Any advise here?

Thanks in advance,
Alex
(alexti)

I think you've just got to take Fuchsrohre just fast enough not to
bottom out, for me that means lifting a bit just before going through
the compression. It does depend on your setup though.

How fast are your laptimes? My best is 8:15 in the Lotus, but you may be
much faster than me, in which case can you give *me* advice on how to
get through Fuchsrohre? :)

- Michael

I've found it doesn't "pay" to try and keep the car off the ground at
Fuchsrohre through setup and compromise "stick" on the other 99% of the
track. So, IMO, it's a matter of a slight lift.

Kesselchen is pretty simple... cut it so as to take the bump square on.

Jan
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Bottoming out is not a problem. If the steering is straight, the car
should just carry on ok. However, if you have any lock on when the car
bottoms out, it will spin.

Kev

I've run with lower setups so far and that usually meant u'd bottom out at
those places, unless lifting off for a moment. My pb was 8:17 (in Ferrari)
for a long time, and I couldnt improve for 6 months.

Now I've tried a different approach- I used some hotshoe's setup with 10 Cm
ride hight (almost full) and very soft suspension settings.. tweaked it a
bit to suit my driving. What followed was... I got a great setup that doesnt
bottom out no matter how hard u drive- no need to lift of at all jumps and
bumps, and concentrate simply on the driving line. I've tried it in Eagle
first (my old pb in it was 8:20) and on first lap (with some minor
mistakes) - it was an online race even- made a 8:16.30 with np. Phew.. think
I'll try it in Ferrari and Lotus soon :-))

Mike

I don't know the names...but if you are talking about the dip before "THE
TREE" then I take that dip on the right hand side of the track (the bump
isn't as pronounced there) and with slightly less than full throttle.  Just
watch out for the grass on the right and you should be fine.  For Kesselchen
(I think this is the nurburgring's version of masta kink) It seems the best
bet is to get your right hand turning done before the bump, and then when
you hit the bump, it normally tends to rotate you to the left, which
finishes the corner perfect...I have yet to have a problem with that corner
spinning me.  It upsets the car a bit but just a little bit of neutral
throttle will help to keep the car balanced.

JB

I need to check the track map.  I know the first curve, but I can't picture
THIS one...

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I think he's talking about the right/left at the end of Qvickundtvisty  with
the bump in the middle and the barrier on the right. It should have its own
name - Jumpundosheisser?

Tony Whitley
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gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
Prix.

Think of the first Carousel...now think back 4 turns...the first 2 turns
back are those 2 right handers...the next one back is a quick 3rd gear left
hander...then the next set of turns back is a right left combo with a little
hump in the middle...you are going pretty fast in 4th...maybe 5th gear on
the approach.

JB

SPIN?!  I wish it would just spin.  No, what happens to me if I let the
car bottom in Fuchsrohre is that the rear steps out, I try to save it,
I manage to hold it, briefly, in a somewhat-stable slide, then I run
out of pavement and put a wheel on the dirt, then I go careening up
that grassy hill on the left, launch off the top of it, and become a
projectile, arcing beautifully over the track (gee, I can see Adenauer
Forst from here, what a view!), and ultimately end up nosing down into
that f*&!ing tree which is on the right (assuming you stayed on the
track...) just before the entrance to Adenauer Forst.

I'd love to know what you have to do to just spin!  :)

        Marc

Is this the area right after Bergwerk, that left-curvy straight thing?
If I'm not mistaken, isn't this where Lauda had his accident in 1976?

Ian

| Is this the area right after Bergwerk, that left-curvy straight thing?
| If I'm not mistaken, isn't this where Lauda had his accident in 1976?
|
| Ian

Lauda crashed at the left hand kink just before Bergwerk

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Thanks for the info, Robin, I've always wondered exactly where it
happened.  I knew it was in the general area of Bergwerk.

Ian

That's what I usually do, however I've found out that depending
on the line and on where the car points, different amount of lift
is required.

My best is 8:08 in Lotus, however Fuchsrohre is not the place
you should listen to my advises about :>

Alex
(alexti)

Yes, that's exactly that corner.

Alex
(alexti)