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by **Ale** » Sat, 07 Jul 2001 10:37:58

That's what I am doing. Probably I should just concentrate on
lifting just enough but not more.

Kesselchen does not spin me either, I just often end up with right
wheels [and sometimes left wheels as well) on the grass after that
right-left, and then I can not accelerate fast and I am losing a
lot of time in that fast section. I will try to complete right hander
before the bump, probably my problem is that I am still turning
right when I hit the bump. Thanks for advise.

Alex
(alexti)

by **Jim Seamu** » Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:10:42

Jesse you definitely win the clear explanation award, I was just about to
give up this thread cos I don't know my corner names well enough, but once I
read your description I knew exactly where we're talking about. Good job :0)

Jim

> Think of the first Carousel...now think back 4 turns...the first 2 turns
> back are those 2 right handers...the next one back is a quick 3rd gear
left
> hander...then the next set of turns back is a right left combo with a
little
> hump in the middle...you are going pretty fast in 4th...maybe 5th gear on
> the approach.

> JB

> Verschueren"

> > >I've found it doesn't "pay" to try and keep the car off the ground at
> > >Fuchsrohre through setup and compromise "stick" on the other 99% of the
> > >track. So, IMO, it's a matter of a slight lift.

> > >Kesselchen is pretty simple... cut it so as to take the bump square on.

> > I need to check the track map. I know the first curve, but I can't
> picture
> > THIS one...

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by **Jim Seamu** » Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:13:24

YES BRILLIANT Jesse you did it again :0)

In this house "The Tree" is referred to as "Az's Tree" after my neighbour Az
managed to hit it on every lap, 12 laps in a row....

Cheerio
Jim

> I don't know the names...but if you are talking about the dip before "THE
> TREE" then I take that dip on the right hand side of the track (the bump
> isn't as pronounced there) and with slightly less than full throttle.
Just
> watch out for the grass on the right and you should be fine. For
Kesselchen
> (I think this is the nurburgring's version of masta kink) It seems the
best
> bet is to get your right hand turning done before the bump, and then when
> you hit the bump, it normally tends to rotate you to the left, which
> finishes the corner perfect...I have yet to have a problem with that
corner
> spinning me. It upsets the car a bit but just a little bit of neutral
> throttle will help to keep the car balanced.

> JB

> > I wonder how you take these (Fuchsrohre and Kesselchen)
> > two corners. In particular, the first uphill part of
> > Fuchsrohre has a bump where the car tends to bottom out,
> > which often creates big problems there. The only reliable
> > solution I know is to slow down a bit. However, I've made
> > this corner much faster (gaining 0.8-1.0 sec in that sector),
> > but that way it bottoms out sometimes, but not always.
> > I've tried different sides, different angles etc, but without
> > any conclusion. So what is the secret? :>

> > In Kesselchen (first right-left) I have similar problem with
> > the bump in the middle. Any advise here?

> > Thanks in advance,
> > Alex
> > (alexti)

by **Richard San Jo** » Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:50:33

I think he's talking about the right/left at the end of Qvickundtvisty with
the bump in the middle and the barrier on the right. It should have its own
name - Jumpundosheisser?

Oder, Schpringungundscheisser (Ich denk)
Richard
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by **Werner Hube** » Sun, 08 Jul 2001 05:34:26

Tony Whitley schrieb:
[...]

Yes, and the other one is just before Hitthatsillytree. My strategie for this part is
simple and it works every time:
1. shoot down the hill like a mad canon ball
2. when reaching the bump: don't lift - be a man!
3. get those 100 bonus points for exactly hitting the tree
4. press shift-r
5. continue

So what's the problem ? :-)

Werner

by **ymenar** » Sun, 08 Jul 2001 07:21:27

> Lauda crashed at the left hand kink just before Bergwerk

I just hate that corner (Bergwerk). You can gain like two seconds over a
normal straight braking if you trail-brake because of the tightening of the
corner radius, but gosh you're so close to spinning there each time. It's
probably one of the place where I spin the most, especially since you have
that little straight before and you always come up with the dilemma of
trail-braking/just braking straight and continuing ;-)

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by **Ale** » Sun, 08 Jul 2001 09:46:29

I call it "The Brake Marker" :>

Alex
(alexti)

> Cheerio
> Jim

>> I don't know the names...but if you are talking about the dip before
>> "THE TREE" then I take that dip on the right hand side of the track
>> <snip>

by MP » Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:17:12

I know what you mean, I don't know if it's off camber at all, but I also
find it really easy to get too much wheelspin coming out of Bergwerk:-(

- Michael

by **jp_hodgso** » Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:04:21

On compromising 'stick':

what ballpark figures for springs, bars and ride height do you quick
guys run at the Ring?

Mine (springs/bars/RH) are around
F: 90/110/3.75
R: 110/80/4.25
and my best time is around 8:39.

Jonny

by **Jan Verschuere** » Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:46:33

<blush> I'm not all that quick there (PB:8m27something), I just don't make
many mistakes in races.

Anyhow, according to your notation, I use:

F: 65/160/3.5 (70/180/3.75 for heavy cars)
R: 95/80/3.5 (105/90/3.75 for heavy cars)

dampers bump/rebound
F: 2/1
R: 2/2 (2/3 in the Lotus)

heavy cars:
F: 3/2
R: 3/3

Jan.
=---

by **Ale** » Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:14:50

>> I've found it doesn't "pay" to try and keep the car off the ground at
>> Fuchsrohre through setup and compromise "stick" on the other 99% of
>> the track. So, IMO, it's a matter of a slight lift.

> On compromising 'stick':

> what ballpark figures for springs, bars and ride height do you quick
> guys run at the Ring?

> Mine (springs/bars/RH) are around
> F: 90/110/3.75
> R: 110/80/4.25
> and my best time is around 8:39.

F: 75/160/3.25
R: 90/120/3.75
PB 8:07.something

Alex
(alexti)

by **Jan Verschuere** » Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:32:08

Hmmm... interesting set of numbers. Have to give that a go sometime.

What damper settings do you use with that?

Jan.
=---

by **Ale** » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:10:12

It is Wolfgang Woeger's setup (for Lotus).

Front: 2/3, Rear: 2/3.

Alex
(alexti)

by **Jonny Hodgso** » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:53:39

Thanks guys - softened the springs off and found nearly 4 seconds!
It's more forgiving now, except for a couple of compressions where the
nose is hitting the floor, and it definitely has more lateral grip.

Looks like I was taking Alison Hine's 'high and stiff' approach a
little too far ;-)

Jonny

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