rec.autos.simulators

by **Mark** » Mon, 19 May 1997 04:00:00

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> I wouldn't normally consider posting someone's email to a newsgroup,
> but I
> received this today...

> >Date: 18 May 1997 18:14

> > This is a rip-off I'm not paying you thirty ***ing dollars when i
> can
> >make the share ware work on all the tracks in fact it's already
> working
> and
> >i'm going to post it on someone's web page and i'm going to take the
> credit
> >for it. If you don't want me to do this post the free full version
> and
> i'll
> >never say a word.

> Really makes all the work seem worthwhile!

> Dave Noonan

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of
of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you can.
So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do.
I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out.

--
Sincerely,
Mark

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I wouldn't normally consider posting someone's email
to a newsgroup, but I
 received this today...

>Date: 18 May 1997 18:14

> This is a rip-off I'm not paying you thirty ***ing dollars when i
can
 >make the share ware work on all the tracks in fact it's already working
 and
 >i'm going to post it on someone's web page and i'm going to take the
 credit
 >for it. If you don't want me to do this post the free full version
and
 i'll
 >never say a word.

Really makes all the work seem worthwhile!

Dave Noonan

<A HREF="http://www.racesimcentral.net/">http://www.racesimcentral.net/</A></BLOCKQUOTE>

papy yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money
of of there products unless the give you a write letter  saying you
can. So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please
do. I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out.

--
                                        
Sincerely,
                                        
Mark

Come And Visit My Very Own Page Of "SimGo"!!!
 With Cars, Setups, Utilities, And more to Come!
 Its awsome to come and worth seeing when made!!!
 <A HREF="http://www.racesimcentral.net/;>http://www.racesimcentral.net/;/A>
 or
 Come and visit the page SPEED!!!!!
 Has  Utilities, Setups, Cars, Links, and more!
 <A HREF="http://www.racesimcentral.net/~speed/">http://www.racesimcentral.net/~speed/</A>

For E-Mail info,

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by **David Noona** » Mon, 19 May 1997 04:00:00

I wouldn't normally consider posting someone's email to a newsgroup, but I
received this today...

>Date: 18 May 1997 18:14
> This is a rip-off I'm not paying you thirty ***ing dollars when i can
>make the share ware work on all the tracks in fact it's already working
and
>i'm going to post it on someone's web page and i'm going to take the
credit
>for it. If you don't want me to do this post the free full version and
i'll
>never say a word.

Really makes all the work seem worthwhile!

Dave Noonan

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Jeff Eucli** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

Well said Marc!

Jeff Euclid
'JR' on Kali

> >yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of
> >of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you can.
> >So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do.
> >I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out.

> So, what are you so pissed about Mark? I personally believe that what
> David has done with this program is a good thing, and he has every right
> on earth to ask for compensation...I think I saw somewhere that if you
> don't aggree with this, then create your own converter.

> Also, David isn't making any money off N2, he's asking for compensation
> to his own program. From what I can tell, his program uses no Papy code,
> but instead uses David's own conversion routines (I think he explains
this
> in his readme.txt).

> Also, you indicate that you "get the point" with David's posting of a
> pirate
> ready to break the law. I really don't think you're too clear on this
> one.
> I'm a little surprised to hear such comments from you Mark. I had
thought
> you were more level headed and fair minded than this.

> FWIW, I would consider anyone posting converted tracks to be every bit
> a software pirate as though they had posted a full track...As a matter of
> fact, David's program is technically protected under international
> copyright
> laws, so if anyone wishes to post a track, they'll not only have to deal
> with Papyrus and Sierra, but also David Noonan.

> Best Regards,

> Marc

> Marc J. Nelson
> The Sim Project

by **Eric Adam** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

What do you mean he's not making money?30 bucks ?That's only ten dollars
less than the game.Anyway I agree with mark I would love to have full
ver.but I'm not paying for somthing that might be a sick bird.

> >yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of
> >of there products unless the give you a write letter saying you can.
> >So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do.
> >I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out.

> So, what are you so pissed about Mark? I personally believe that what
> David has done with this program is a good thing, and he has every right
> on earth to ask for compensation...I think I saw somewhere that if you
> don't aggree with this, then create your own converter.

> Also, David isn't making any money off N2, he's asking for compensation
> to his own program. From what I can tell, his program uses no Papy code,
> but instead uses David's own conversion routines (I think he explains
this
> in his readme.txt).

> Also, you indicate that you "get the point" with David's posting of a
> pirate
> ready to break the law. I really don't think you're too clear on this
> one.
> I'm a little surprised to hear such comments from you Mark. I had
thought
> you were more level headed and fair minded than this.

> FWIW, I would consider anyone posting converted tracks to be every bit
> a software pirate as though they had posted a full track...As a matter of
> fact, David's program is technically protected under international
> copyright
> laws, so if anyone wishes to post a track, they'll not only have to deal
> with Papyrus and Sierra, but also David Noonan.

> Best Regards,

> Marc

> Marc J. Nelson
> The Sim Project

by **L. VanDerWeg** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

> Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is
> converting, not him.

But He's not distributing Pappy code. You must have your own copy of
ICR2 and N2. What he's selling is entirely his!!

Lyman,
http://www.pilot.infi.net/~lymanv/tnms/tnms.htm

by **Mike Flemin** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

> > Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is
> > converting, not him.

> But He's not distributing Pappy code. You must have your own copy of
> ICR2 and N2. What he's selling is entirely his!!

> Lyman,
> http://www.pilot.infi.net/~lymanv/tnms/tnms.htm

Didn't think of that, so you are right :)

by **Simproje** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

Hi Mike,

No, he really isn't...What I meant is that his program "reads" the ICR2
file, then "rearranges" the formats to conform to N2. His program thus
contains no Papyrus propriatary code, and does not infringe on theirs
(or anyone else's) copyrights.

Best Regards,

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
The SIm Project

by **Alex Santantoni** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

> Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is
> converting, not him.

He is not using Papy code, he is taking his own code and adding it to
and altering Papy code. Using Papy code is includuding it in the
program.

by **Mike Flemin** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

Oh, but he is using Papy code. Papyrus wrote the track files that he is
converting, not him.

by **SimRaci** » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

Eric,

Please READ my post...it says he's not making money off N2, only
asking for compensation for HIS utility. =)

Marc

by **Ed Medli** » Wed, 21 May 1997 04:00:00

But he is not using the track files, only his converter. I see no copyright
violations here.
--

Regards,
Ed Medlin

by **James Dunph** » Thu, 22 May 1997 04:00:00

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Listen, if everyone is so pissed at this guy, then post his full utility.
--
Jim Dunphy

My GP2 page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/gp2.html

home page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/index.htm

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by **Earl** » Thu, 22 May 1997 04:00:00

Does anyone know if Dave has any intention of porting the converter to
DOS format for those of us who don't have the Win95 version of ICR2,
let alone Win95 (and know that most users who have tried both
overwhelmingly prefer the DOS version)?

Earl

by **Rob** » Thu, 22 May 1997 04:00:00

Some stuipd person already told you how to convert all the tracks what else
do you want?????????????????
Rob

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Vist Andy's N2 page at http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5897/

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>Listen, if everyone is so pissed at this guy, then post his full utility.
>--
>Jim Dunphy

>My GP2 page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/gp2.html

>home page: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4211/index.htm

>Racing Photos and Sims (Grand Prix 2,Nascar,Nascar 2,Indycar Racing 2)

by **The Black Dea** » Fri, 23 May 1997 04:00:00

I purchased the game for $29.95 plus tax from Best Buy. My investment
will not be doubling anytime in the near future.

Bleed,
Unholy Hate

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