rec.autos.simulators

ICR2 to N2 Conversion

Mike Payto

ICR2 to N2 Conversion

by Mike Payto » Tue, 27 May 1997 04:00:00



> >yet? If not whatch it, there is a law saying you may not make money of
> >of there products unless the give you a write letter  saying you can.
> >So, for your sakes, if you don't got it, put it out for free. Please do.
> >I want' the full, but wont pay until that section is straighened out.

> So, what are you so pissed about Mark?  I personally believe that what
> David has done with this program is a good thing, and he has every right
> on earth to ask for compensation...I think I saw somewhere that if you
> don't aggree with this, then create your own converter.

> Also, David isn't making any money off N2, he's asking for compensation
> to his own program.  From what I can tell, his program uses no Papy code,
> but instead uses David's own conversion routines (I think he explains this
> in his readme.txt).

> Also, you indicate that you "get the point" with David's posting of a
> pirate
> ready to break the law.  I really don't think you're too clear on this
> one.
> I'm a little surprised to hear such comments from you Mark.  I had thought
> you were more level headed and fair minded than this.

> FWIW, I would consider anyone posting converted tracks to be every bit
> a software pirate as though they had posted a full track...As a matter of
> fact, David's program is technically protected under international
> copyright
> laws, so if anyone wishes to post a track, they'll not only have to deal
> with Papyrus and Sierra, but also David Noonan.

> Best Regards,

> Marc

> Marc J. Nelson
> The Sim Project

Marc,

   You have made a comment here which I feel must be addressed. In order
to make the ICR2 tracks work with N2, alterations must be made to files
written by Papy. Otherwise, anyone could just copy the files over to
their N2 directory without complications. As for the international
copywright, It takes more than just writing a program for it to be
copywrighted. There are very long and difficult processes involved
ingetting copywrights, especially at the international level. As I have
stated before, I have no problems with Dave's program or his desire to
profit from his work, however, one must keep the facts straight.

Mike

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David Spark

ICR2 to N2 Conversion

by David Spark » Wed, 28 May 1997 04:00:00


>   You have made a comment here which I feel must be addressed. In order
>to make the ICR2 tracks work with N2, alterations must be made to files
>written by Papy. Otherwise, anyone could just copy the files over to
>their N2 directory without complications. As for the international
>copywright, It takes more than just writing a program for it to be
>copywrighted. There are very long and difficult processes involved
>ingetting copywrights, especially at the international level. As I have
>stated before, I have no problems with Dave's program or his desire to
>profit from his work, however, one must keep the facts straight.

According to the Berne Convention, to which some 100+ countries now
subscribe, including the US, a work is copyright the moment that pen is put
to paper, brush to canvas, or keystroke to computer, if you will. It is no
longer necessary to file any paperwork whatsoever for international
copyright protection in most countries in the world.

However, according to US copyright law, the defense of innocent
infringement is disallowed when the (c) Copyright notice is included in the
work, and additional damages can be claimed when the formal paperwork is
filed.

Dave Sparks
IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Hawaii Handle: davids

Simproje

ICR2 to N2 Conversion

by Simproje » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Hi Mike,

I'm not too clear on your first point, but I will attempt to address
the second one...

As for International copyrights, the item in question is protected once
it is written. The US law is written in this manner, and most countries
conform to these rules in the form of copyright treaties. Not all, but
most...Like I've mentioned elsewhere, I know very little about
copyrights (here or abroad), but feel that my comments to Mark were
accurate.

I aggree with you that one should keep the facts straight. ;)

Marc

>Marc,

>   You have made a comment here which I feel must be addressed. In
>order to make the ICR2 tracks work with N2, alterations must be made
>to files written by Papy. Otherwise, anyone could just copy the files
>over to their N2 directory without complications. As for the
>international copywright, It takes more than just writing a program
>for it to be copywrighted. There are very long and difficult processes
>involved ingetting copywrights, especially at the international level.
>As I have stated before, I have no problems with Dave's program or his
>desire to profit from his work, however, one must keep the facts
>straight.

>Mike

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