When one or two cars can qualify 3 seconds faster than anyone else,
something is not right.
I've even seen this in FIXED setup races!
The usual response is "It's my special Line" or something like that. Line
my ass.
I've heard rumors that some are cheating by going down pit road on the
Qualifying laps. Is that what is happening here?
Is there any way to see someone _elses_ qualifying run?
I think we have another security hole for Papy to plug up.
-Larry
In the race, they don't take off like the qual. time would suggest, so
something is up. The lines I've seen are nothing special.
I once tried the pitlane at Daytona on my second lap to cut a quicker time
and was DQ'd instantly. If you stay on the grass you might cut time, but
then you are coasting/sliding not driving so I really don't think it would
be quicker.
If these guys were just as fast in the race, I would understand. But they
aren't. Papy fixed the no crash hack a few weeks ago, so maybe this is
another issue.
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www.luftwaffe-experten.com
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" > Ok, folks. There is something going on here...
There is DEFINETLY something going on. You're right. When one or two guys
qual 2-3 seconds faster than everyone else, especially under fixed,
something is afoot.
Especially when you know YOU can qual at the first or second position
consistently, and you keep getting your but kicked by a huge margin.
Or, when you have people you know are front-row qualifyers, day in and day
out, getting beat by 2 sec or more.
Man, I wish there was a way to watch someone else qual...
-Larry
> In the race, they don't take off like the qual. time would suggest, so
> something is up. The lines I've seen are nothing special.
> I once tried the pitlane at Daytona on my second lap to cut a quicker time
> and was DQ'd instantly. If you stay on the grass you might cut time, but
> then you are coasting/sliding not driving so I really don't think it would
> be quicker.
> If these guys were just as fast in the race, I would understand. But they
> aren't. Papy fixed the no crash hack a few weeks ago, so maybe this is
> another issue.
> ********************************
> Dave Pawlikowski
> www.cushdrive.com
> www.luftwaffe-experten.com
> *********************************
> " > Ok, folks. There is something going on here...
> > When one or two cars can qualify 3 seconds faster than anyone else,
> > something is not right.
> > I've even seen this in FIXED setup races!
> > The usual response is "It's my special Line" or something like that.
Line
> > my ass.
> > I've heard rumors that some are cheating by going down pit road on the
> > Qualifying laps. Is that what is happening here?
> > Is there any way to see someone _elses_ qualifying run?
> > I think we have another security hole for Papy to plug up.
> > -Larry
Of course you're talking 2-3 seconds faster, but on what track. I could see
it on a road course, maybe even at Pocono. I've run 4-5 seconds faster than
others qualifying at Sears and been called a cheat, but I didn't. It was
fixed setup at that. I like to think it is a blend of talent and good
equipment (fast computer and video card along with a high end wheel). On top
of the equipment I practice a lot too, but I have picked up a few tenths to
a second at some places just because my FPS were 75 instead of 25.
Back to the point, there is something to late arrivals qualifying faster.
Keep a lookout next time and see if the last guys to join were the ones up
front after Q. If so, Papy is aware as are a ton of guys over at Papy's
forums.
Sim
> There is DEFINETLY something going on. You're right. When one or two
guys
> qual 2-3 seconds faster than everyone else, especially under fixed,
> something is afoot.
> Especially when you know YOU can qual at the first or second position
> consistently, and you keep getting your but kicked by a huge margin.
> Or, when you have people you know are front-row qualifyers, day in and day
> out, getting beat by 2 sec or more.
> Man, I wish there was a way to watch someone else qual...
> -Larry
> > Larry - I've often thought the same thing. To see in a fixed Papy race
two
> > or three guys almost a second faster is weird.
> > In the race, they don't take off like the qual. time would suggest, so
> > something is up. The lines I've seen are nothing special.
> > I once tried the pitlane at Daytona on my second lap to cut a quicker
time
> > and was DQ'd instantly. If you stay on the grass you might cut time, but
> > then you are coasting/sliding not driving so I really don't think it
would
> > be quicker.
> > If these guys were just as fast in the race, I would understand. But
they
> > aren't. Papy fixed the no crash hack a few weeks ago, so maybe this is
> > another issue.
> > ********************************
> > Dave Pawlikowski
> > www.cushdrive.com
> > www.luftwaffe-experten.com
> > *********************************
> > " > Ok, folks. There is something going on here...
> > > When one or two cars can qualify 3 seconds faster than anyone else,
> > > something is not right.
> > > I've even seen this in FIXED setup races!
> > > The usual response is "It's my special Line" or something like that.
> Line
> > > my ass.
> > > I've heard rumors that some are cheating by going down pit road on the
> > > Qualifying laps. Is that what is happening here?
> > > Is there any way to see someone _elses_ qualifying run?
> > > I think we have another security hole for Papy to plug up.
> > > -Larry
: Ok, folks. There is something going on here...
:
: When one or two cars can qualify 3 seconds faster than anyone else,
: something is not right.
:
: I've even seen this in FIXED setup races!
:
: The usual response is "It's my special Line" or something like that. Line
: my ass.
:
: I've heard rumors that some are cheating by going down pit road on the
: Qualifying laps. Is that what is happening here?
:
: Is there any way to see someone _elses_ qualifying run?
:
: I think we have another security hole for Papy to plug up.
:
: -Larry
Apperently there is a know weather bug in the game. If you join a race
during qualifying some people get different weather than the rest.
> I've heard guys say that they will join a server just as it gets ready to go
> to Q and their times are just that much faster. I heard about it over on
> Papy's forums. I don't know what to make of it. Apparently in pickup races,
> you need to join right before Q and your times will be faster. Some folks
> call it a bug, some call it a cheat, <shrugs> dunno.
--
Fester
Surely you would know whether there was something in this just by
comparing your qualifying times online with the times you normally do
offline. If you're doing similar times then you can't be gaining any
kind of advantage.
If you've run 4-5 seconds faster at Sears, but this is your normal pace
then you have no reason to think it's anything other than 'a blend of
talent and good equipment'
<snip>
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-Larry
> Of course you're talking 2-3 seconds faster, but on what track. I could
see
> it on a road course, maybe even at Pocono. I've run 4-5 seconds faster
than
> others qualifying at Sears and been called a cheat, but I didn't. It was
> fixed setup at that. I like to think it is a blend of talent and good
> equipment (fast computer and video card along with a high end wheel). On
top
> of the equipment I practice a lot too, but I have picked up a few tenths
to
> a second at some places just because my FPS were 75 instead of 25.
> Back to the point, there is something to late arrivals qualifying faster.
> Keep a lookout next time and see if the last guys to join were the ones up
> front after Q. If so, Papy is aware as are a ton of guys over at Papy's
> forums.
> Sim
> > Dave,
> > There is DEFINETLY something going on. You're right. When one or two
> guys
> > qual 2-3 seconds faster than everyone else, especially under fixed,
> > something is afoot.
> > Especially when you know YOU can qual at the first or second position
> > consistently, and you keep getting your but kicked by a huge margin.
> > Or, when you have people you know are front-row qualifyers, day in and
day
> > out, getting beat by 2 sec or more.
> > Man, I wish there was a way to watch someone else qual...
> > -Larry
> > > Larry - I've often thought the same thing. To see in a fixed Papy race
> two
> > > or three guys almost a second faster is weird.
> > > In the race, they don't take off like the qual. time would suggest, so
> > > something is up. The lines I've seen are nothing special.
> > > I once tried the pitlane at Daytona on my second lap to cut a quicker
> time
> > > and was DQ'd instantly. If you stay on the grass you might cut time,
but
> > > then you are coasting/sliding not driving so I really don't think it
> would
> > > be quicker.
> > > If these guys were just as fast in the race, I would understand. But
> they
> > > aren't. Papy fixed the no crash hack a few weeks ago, so maybe this is
> > > another issue.
> > > ********************************
> > > Dave Pawlikowski
> > > www.cushdrive.com
> > > www.luftwaffe-experten.com
> > > *********************************
> > > " > Ok, folks. There is something going on here...
> > > > When one or two cars can qualify 3 seconds faster than anyone else,
> > > > something is not right.
> > > > I've even seen this in FIXED setup races!
> > > > The usual response is "It's my special Line" or something like that.
> > Line
> > > > my ass.
> > > > I've heard rumors that some are cheating by going down pit road on
the
> > > > Qualifying laps. Is that what is happening here?
> > > > Is there any way to see someone _elses_ qualifying run?
> > > > I think we have another security hole for Papy to plug up.
> > > > -Larry
It's not just MY time. It's the time of well-known front-row qualifiers
that are getting their asses kicked by a HUGE margin by nobodies that are
lucky to finish the first lap in the top 20 sometimes.
And we are talking 1, 2, and 3 seconds here sometimes. I would never say I
am a Talladega Wizard, but I've got over 20,000 laps on that track starting
from the hawaii days, and made level 15 on TEN more than once. I generally
don't get my qual ass kicked by 3 seconds... By anybody... It's easy to
start at 15th and only be 1/4 second behind the pole sitter. That is
normal. What I am seeing is NOT normal.
In other words, they can qualilfy and beat everybody, but when the race is
over they are nowhere in site.
Their cars do not 'perform' as their qual times would dictate.
-Larry
> >Of course you're talking 2-3 seconds faster, but on what track. I could
see
> >it on a road course, maybe even at Pocono. I've run 4-5 seconds faster
than
> >others qualifying at Sears and been called a cheat, but I didn't. It was
> >fixed setup at that. I like to think it is a blend of talent and good
> >equipment (fast computer and video card along with a high end wheel). On
> >top
> >of the equipment I practice a lot too, but I have picked up a few tenths
to
> >a second at some places just because my FPS were 75 instead of 25.
> Surely you would know whether there was something in this just by
> comparing your qualifying times online with the times you normally do
> offline. If you're doing similar times then you can't be gaining any
> kind of advantage.
> If you've run 4-5 seconds faster at Sears, but this is your normal pace
> then you have no reason to think it's anything other than 'a blend of
> talent and good equipment'
> >Back to the point, there is something to late arrivals qualifying faster.
> >Keep a lookout next time and see if the last guys to join were the ones
up
> >front after Q. If so, Papy is aware as are a ton of guys over at Papy's
> >forums.
> >Sim
> <snip>
> --
> Peter Ives
> Remove ALL_STRESS before replying
> If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me
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| Peter, you missed the ENTIRE point. Please-re read my message.
|
| It's not just MY time. It's the time of well-known front-row qualifiers
| that are getting their asses kicked by a HUGE margin by nobodies that are
| lucky to finish the first lap in the top 20 sometimes.
|
| And we are talking 1, 2, and 3 seconds here sometimes. I would never say
I
| am a Talladega Wizard, but I've got over 20,000 laps on that track
starting
| from the hawaii days, and made level 15 on TEN more than once. I
generally
| don't get my qual ass kicked by 3 seconds... By anybody... It's easy to
| start at 15th and only be 1/4 second behind the pole sitter. That is
| normal. What I am seeing is NOT normal.
|
| In other words, they can qualilfy and beat everybody, but when the race is
| over they are nowhere in site.
|
| Their cars do not 'perform' as their qual times would dictate.
|
| -Larry
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> | Peter, you missed the ENTIRE point. Please-re read my message.
> |
> | It's not just MY time. It's the time of well-known front-row qualifiers
> | that are getting their asses kicked by a HUGE margin by nobodies that
are
> | lucky to finish the first lap in the top 20 sometimes.
> |
> | And we are talking 1, 2, and 3 seconds here sometimes. I would never
say
> I
> | am a Talladega Wizard, but I've got over 20,000 laps on that track
> starting
> | from the hawaii days, and made level 15 on TEN more than once. I
> generally
> | don't get my qual ass kicked by 3 seconds... By anybody... It's easy
to
> | start at 15th and only be 1/4 second behind the pole sitter. That is
> | normal. What I am seeing is NOT normal.
> |
> | In other words, they can qualilfy and beat everybody, but when the race
is
> | over they are nowhere in site.
> |
> | Their cars do not 'perform' as their qual times would dictate.
> |
> | -Larry
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| We're aware of a couple of possible exploits, and these will be addressed
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| the next patch release.
|
| - Eric
|
|
| > Hello Larry,
| > I have kinda' stopped N4 for the wreckers & just poor attitudes
| > online but I have gone back a few times this week. I too noticed
| > this strange situation. {especially in "fixed" setup races}
| > It was 'really obvious' to me & when I first saw the post on here
| > about this I thought 'Naaah this cant be!' but I too have seen the
| > qual times 2-3secs ahead of mine where I am always with 10ths
| > of 1st, 2nd or 3rd.. At first I thought it was me not being here in
| > such a long time but as I got into about th 20th race I knew that
| > something wasnt right!! Plus the hot-qual-ers were way back in
| > the pack & I kept ending up in the top 5 each race!
| > Like urself, I have put 1000s of lap in N3 - N4 and this seems
| > to be a new 'phenomenon' that doesnt seem kosher! I really do
| > not know what's going on or if this is a hack or not but there's
| > something stinking in Denmark & it aint he cheese...lol
| > Thats my cent & 1/2 worth {fwiw}..:-) Thom_j.
|
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Isn't this just the fenomenom called clock-smash, caused by laggy
connections?
This sometimes can produce some really weird times
