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by **David Mocna** » Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:24:50

Hi Guys,
I almost have F1 2002 set-up to the point where I'm pretty impressed with it
(ie. it drives well); though I am having frame-rate problems. I am running
it in 800x600x16bit with no anti-alliasing and the mirrors swathed OFF in
order to achieve 35 - 50fps in a 'test-day' mode. I have most things set on
'high' except for the special-effects which are set on 'low'. Moment I
switch the mirrors ON, I loose good 10fps. Now if I to into a race with all
21 cars there then my framerate hovers around 27-28fps and that's just not
satisfactory as if feels really 'choppy' ... the 35-50fps barely does it in
the 'test-day'. So I figured that I need to have 40+ fps at all times to
have fluid gameplay .... though, any tips on how I can achieve that?

My system is Athlon 2000 Pro (ie. 1.7Gh) with 512Mb RAM and GeForce4 MX440
video card.

ps. One more thing, can anyone point me to better sounds for F1 2002 ... in
particular all the 'feedback' sounds like wheel-spin and sliding as they
seem almost non-existent in the game and do detract from making this 'full'
experience.

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Regards,
David Mocnay

by **Don Burnett** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 01:04:29

The first obvious thing I see is your video card, that MX card is a big
bottleneck for the system you have. It's really not a "true" GeForce4. Even
a GeForce3 Ti500 would probably perform better.
To give you an example, I run the Athlon XP1600+ at 1.5ghz, and with my
GeForce4 Ti4400 I get, with most everything set on high, around 80 fps in
testing, and 50+ in a race. At the start of the race, in the lineup grid, I
start around 43 fps. When it is cloudy and rainy, my fps drops to the low to
mid 40's.

Having said that, the only other things you could try is check your d3d
settings for your drivers, make sure vsynch is off, choose best performance,
make sure no anisitropic filtering or aa is on.

But seriously, when you can put in a GeForce4 Ti card, even the 4200 is
excellent and can overclock easily . You would see a big difference.

Don Burnette

> Hi Guys,
> I almost have F1 2002 set-up to the point where I'm pretty impressed
> with it (ie. it drives well); though I am having frame-rate problems.
> I am running it in 800x600x16bit with no anti-alliasing and the
> mirrors swathed OFF in order to achieve 35 - 50fps in a 'test-day'
> mode. I have most things set on 'high' except for the special-effects
> which are set on 'low'. Moment I switch the mirrors ON, I loose good
> 10fps. Now if I to into a race with all 21 cars there then my
> framerate hovers around 27-28fps and that's just not satisfactory as
> if feels really 'choppy' ... the 35-50fps barely does it in the
> 'test-day'. So I figured that I need to have 40+ fps at all times to
> have fluid gameplay .... though, any tips on how I can achieve that?

> My system is Athlon 2000 Pro (ie. 1.7Gh) with 512Mb RAM and GeForce4
> MX440 video card.

> ps. One more thing, can anyone point me to better sounds for F1 2002
> ... in particular all the 'feedback' sounds like wheel-spin and
> sliding as they seem almost non-existent in the game and do detract
> from making this 'full' experience.

by **Joe M** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 05:41:13

I'll add to the overwhelming evidence that it's your video card. ;0) I'm
running an AMD 1600+ & GF3 Ti 500. Running 1280x1024x32bit with all
graphics high I see 50+ fps warming up and 25+ at start of the race then
30-45 during the race.

--
Joe M.

by **Damien Smit** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:45:15

Not true. My friend has a MX 440 and it is just as fast in 800x600 as my
Ti4600 is in 1024x768. I honestly don't know what's wrong with David's
system. I'm guessing it might be a lack of proper VIA 4-in-1 drivers or
some FF problems with his wheel.

by **Damien Smit** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:48:26

The tyres on F1 cars don't really squeal under wheel-spin. They make more
of a 'scrubbing' sound and I think F1 2002 has captured it perfectly. You
should be able to hear when the wheels are about to lose traction. If not,
you might need some better speakers or maybe try using headphones.

by **Damien Smit** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:54:18

An MX440 at 800x600 easily outperforms a Ti500 at 1280x1024 (especially in
16-bit) As a guide, you should keep lowering the resolution/colour depth
until you get a score of over 40Million Tri/sec in 3DConfig. That way, you
can be sure that your video card isn't bogging things down.

by **David Mocna** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:15:50

Thanks guys, you are being very helpfull. I can see that most of you have
no problems achieving ~50fps even in the race and my PC should be quick
enough to do the same. I'd rather not buy a new video card as I just
bought the system and it seems to run flawlesly with my other software
(mayinly GPL with all the hi-res, hi-detail cars and tracks). I will buy
the video-card if it is really the problem, but from the sound of it
there are people with the same card achieving high framerates like you
guys.

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My friend has a MX 440 and it is just as fast in 800x600 as my
Ti4600 is in 1024x768. ...
I'm guessing it might be a lack of proper VIA 4-in-1 drivers or some FF
problems with his wheel.
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I forgot to state this earlier, but I do not have FF wheel and it is set
to OFF in the controller-options.

What are "VIA 4-in-1 drivers". Maybe I can look into that (if I knew what
that is).

Also, what spec system does your friend (withthe same card) run in order
to achieve thos ehigh framerates?

-------------------------------------------------
As a guide, you should keep lowering the resolution/colour depth
until you get a score of over 40Million Tri/sec in 3DConfig. That way,
you can be sure that your video card isn't bogging things down.
-------------------------------------------------

OK, I will try that when I get home and see what 'score' I'm getting.

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The tyres on F1 cars don't really squeal under wheel-spin. They make
more of a 'scrubbing' sound and I think F1 2002 has captured it
perfectly.
-------------------------------------------------

I am not really fussed as to what the 'real' F1 car makes as long as I
can hear some feedback. My problem is that I don't seem to be getting any
feedback (but visual) that my tyres are loosing grip. In a 'real' car you
have a lot more feedback at your disposal so even if you can't hear the
tyres you knon that the tyres are sliding/slipping. In a sim we only have
the visual and aural feedback. I don't get enough aural feedback so I
feel like I'm too late with my controller-inputs as I am only reacting to
the visual clues. GPL helps a long way with this via the audio-feedback.
So my concern is not to what the sound is as long as there is some ...
whether it be 'scrubbing' or somehting else. Are there more pronounces
sounds around? If so can anyone point me to them? If there are not any
around then is there a way to rurn up the volume of the existing
'scrubbing' sound as it is way too quiete for me.

Thanks again for all your help.

--
Regards,
David Mocnay

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:20:03

:) my f1 2k1 score(can't remember what 2k2 was) was topping out around
24million. I guess I have ALOT of turning down to do.
dave henrie

by **David Mocna** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:54:07

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As a guide, you should keep lowering the resolution/colour depth
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OK, I have also updated my video drivers (to make sure that they are the
latest) and I am getting 18.2Mil in the 3d-config. Far from 40 :-( Even if I
turn down the resolution to 640x480, I get only just over 20Mil.

Odd thing is that now that I have the RH 2002 car-set installed, it uses
it's own config file and it seems that I have to change things there
manually. Looks like I have now 2x anti-alliasing switched on (and
video-more 3 ... whatever that is)and my framerate is 35 - 50fps in
test-mode (still with mirrors OFF).

Cold you possibly find out what 'score' does your friend with the same card
get in 3d-config and what settings is he running? I would love to NOT to
have to get a new video-card if I don't have to.

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Regards,
David Mocnay

> > > I'll add to the overwhelming evidence that it's your video card. ;0)
> I'm
> > > running an AMD 1600+ & GF3 Ti 500. Running 1280x1024x32bit with all
> > > graphics high I see 50+ fps warming up and 25+ at start of the race
then
> > > 30-45 during the race.

by **David Mocna** » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:55:51

OK, I did find a 'sound patch' which makes the cars and ripple-sptrips sound
great. Also I found a skidding sound based on GP2 which seems to suit me
better ... now all I need is track-updates and better framerate :-)

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Regards,
David Mocnay

by **MadDAW** » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:22:07

I check your card then cuase something is wrong. the Ti4600 should smoke a
MX card.

MadDAWG

by **Damien Smit** » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:52:48

Higher resolutions and colour depths. That's it. F1 2002 doesn't use pixel
or vertex shaders so there's virtually no advantage other than raw fill
rate. The MX 440 is no slug when it comes to fill rate. It rivals a GF3.

by **Damien Smit** » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:57:02

Turn off AA and make sure that you've got the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers...

by **David Mocna** » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:16:09

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Turn off AA and make sure that you've got the latest VIA 4-in-1
drivers...
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OK, I will switch the anti-alliasing OFF ... I didn't think the 2x anti-
alliasing was making much difference to the frame-rate as I was running
it without it originally.

Though, what are the "VIA 4-in-1" drivers? If someone couud point me to
these then I'll donload them and insteall them as well.

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Regards,
David Mocnay

by **Ian Riche** » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:55:40

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:16:09 +1000, David Mocnay

Firstly, make sure you are running a Via-based system. Do you know
what motherboard your system uses?

For an Athlon, it is likely that it is Via, but it could also be SIS,
NVidia or AMD/Via.

The manual that came with your motherboard should tell you this
information. Your motherboard should also have come with a CD with
(probably old) versions of the drivers you need on it.

If you bought a complete PC-package, you may need to ask the companmy
you bought it off for advice.....

Once you know what chipset your motherboard is based on, download &
install the correct AGP drivers:

http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2
http://www.sis.com/support/driver/utility.htm
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_...

Note: It is *very* important to install the right drivers. If you
manage to install the wrong ones, things will be much worse than they
are now....

Post back here for more advice if you need help (Full system specs,
with as much detail of the hardware, Windows version, DX version etc.
would help al lot!)!

Ian

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Ian Riches
GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

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