rec.autos.simulators

by **James Pickar** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:34:35

Does anyone know where I can get this from?

Thanks..

James

by me » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:59:06

There isn't one (and I honestly hope that there will never be).

Sony has updated their Securom copy protection which N4 uses and the new
version is included in the 1.3 patch. The problem that has been used to
crack various versions of securom protection for years, doesn't work with
this new version.

An updated version of this cracking software hasn't been released yet
(AFAIK).

--
anonymous

by **REDLINE42** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:39:12

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Toooooooo Bad !
If ya do a Full install the CD-ROM works very little.

--
R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

http://www.roadracers.uk.com/legend.htm

by **Biz** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:02:27

Yes, but leaving the CD in the drive is a small price to pay to try to cut
down on s/w piracy. DO you whine about every little thing?

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> >There isn't one (and I honestly hope that there will never be).

> Why? It's a pain keeping the cd in the cdrom drive.

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:24:27

leaving the cd in the drive only gets in way of regular users. Anyone who
really wants to pirate something will find a way. In this case with new
protection, it is only a matter of time before the hackers break it. I
rarely keep a cd in my drive. I burnt out a 40x Toshiba cdrom drive in just
about a year. I plan on extending the life of the HP burner that replaced
it by NOT using it casually.
dave henrie

> Yes, but leaving the CD in the drive is a small price to pay to try to cut
> down on s/w piracy. DO you whine about every little thing?

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > >There isn't one (and I honestly hope that there will never be).

> > Why? It's a pain keeping the cd in the cdrom drive.

by **Biz** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:08:41

Yes, they will, but in the meantime they're screwed so be happy. WHy is it
most of you guys could care less about piracy? Software COULD be so much
less expensive if they could control it better, am I one of the few that
actually understands that concept?

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> leaving the cd in the drive only gets in way of regular users. Anyone
who
> really wants to pirate something will find a way. In this case with new
> protection, it is only a matter of time before the hackers break it. I
> rarely keep a cd in my drive. I burnt out a 40x Toshiba cdrom drive in
just
> about a year. I plan on extending the life of the HP burner that replaced
> it by NOT using it casually.
> dave henrie

> > Yes, but leaving the CD in the drive is a small price to pay to try to
cut
> > down on s/w piracy. DO you whine about every little thing?

> > --
> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash

> > > >There isn't one (and I honestly hope that there will never be).

> > > Why? It's a pain keeping the cd in the cdrom drive.

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:19:09

The concept I understand is...the companies will charge what they think
will result in the highest sales figures. If using copy protection, they
increase the amount of sales, they STILL WILL NOT LOWER THE PRICE. All copy
protection does is siphon profits from the distributor to the cp provider,
increases support costs, losses consumer trust, and still ANY person who is
serious about ripping it off, will do so quickly.
I do not advocate pirating...but I'd be really suprised if publishers
actually think securerom or any other form of protection is truly stopping
piracy.
Prices only come down when sales drop off. Or the publisher doesn't think
there is enough demand to warrant a high price. I can't recall ever a press
announcement proclaiming that using Copy Protection would allow the
publisher to charge less for a title.
dave henrie

> Yes, they will, but in the meantime they're screwed so be happy. WHy is
it
> most of you guys could care less about piracy? Software COULD be so much
> less expensive if they could control it better, am I one of the few that
> actually understands that concept?

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > leaving the cd in the drive only gets in way of regular users. Anyone
> who
> > really wants to pirate something will find a way. In this case with new
> > protection, it is only a matter of time before the hackers break it. I
> > rarely keep a cd in my drive. I burnt out a 40x Toshiba cdrom drive in
> just
> > about a year. I plan on extending the life of the HP burner that
replaced
> > it by NOT using it casually.
> > dave henrie

> > > Yes, but leaving the CD in the drive is a small price to pay to try to
> cut
> > > down on s/w piracy. DO you whine about every little thing?

> > > --
> > > Biz

> > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> structures,....and
> > > the....." - Ash

> > > > >There isn't one (and I honestly hope that there will never be).

> > > > Why? It's a pain keeping the cd in the cdrom drive.

by **blueridge.ne** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:15:38

Well said, Dave.

> The concept I understand is...the companies will charge what they think
> will result in the highest sales figures. If using copy protection, they
> increase the amount of sales, they STILL WILL NOT LOWER THE PRICE. All
copy
> protection does is siphon profits from the distributor to the cp provider,
> increases support costs, losses consumer trust, and still ANY person who
is
> serious about ripping it off, will do so quickly.
> I do not advocate pirating...but I'd be really suprised if publishers
> actually think securerom or any other form of protection is truly stopping
> piracy.
> Prices only come down when sales drop off. Or the publisher doesn't
think
> there is enough demand to warrant a high price. I can't recall ever a
press
> announcement proclaiming that using Copy Protection would allow the
> publisher to charge less for a title.
> dave henrie

> > Yes, they will, but in the meantime they're screwed so be happy. WHy is
> it
> > most of you guys could care less about piracy? Software COULD be so
much
> > less expensive if they could control it better, am I one of the few that
> > actually understands that concept?

> > --
> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash

> > > leaving the cd in the drive only gets in way of regular users.
Anyone
> > who
> > > really wants to pirate something will find a way. In this case with
new
> > > protection, it is only a matter of time before the hackers break it.
I
> > > rarely keep a cd in my drive. I burnt out a 40x Toshiba cdrom drive
in
> > just
> > > about a year. I plan on extending the life of the HP burner that
> replaced
> > > it by NOT using it casually.
> > > dave henrie

> > > > Yes, but leaving the CD in the drive is a small price to pay to try
to
> > cut
> > > > down on s/w piracy. DO you whine about every little thing?

> > > > --
> > > > Biz

> > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
understand
> > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > structures,....and
> > > > the....." - Ash

> > > > > >There isn't one (and I honestly hope that there will never be).

> > > > > Why? It's a pain keeping the cd in the cdrom drive.

by **Colin Harri** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:09:11

I disagree - about a year ago, I posted how my GPL CD was so battered that
it barely works any more, I emailed Papy asking for a replacement (I'd
gladly send my old one to them as proof), but was told that they'd just sell
me a new one for $10, I think it was. I know that's not a great deal of
cash, but it might be to someone. I can copy my music CDs if I want (for
personal use), I can copy my videos, pretty much anything that I use for
'entertainment', but I can't copy GPL or N4 to race online. Already, after 4
months, my N4 CD is looking VERY worse for wear - if I have to replace that,
that's a full-priced game. So yeah, I'd LOVE a no-CD for N4, please, one
that works online.

by **Olav K. Malm** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:19:15

> > Yes, but leaving the CD in the drive is a small price to pay to try to cut
> > down on s/w piracy. DO you whine about every little thing?

> > --
> > Biz

> I disagree - about a year ago, I posted how my GPL CD was so battered that
> it barely works any more, I emailed Papy asking for a replacement (I'd
> gladly send my old one to them as proof), but was told that they'd just sell
> me a new one for $10, I think it was. I know that's not a great deal of
> cash, but it might be to someone. I can copy my music CDs if I want (for
> personal use), I can copy my videos, pretty much anything that I use for
> 'entertainment', but I can't copy GPL or N4 to race online. Already, after 4
> months, my N4 CD is looking VERY worse for wear - if I have to replace that,
> that's a full-priced game. So yeah, I'd LOVE a no-CD for N4, please, one
> that works online.

Hey Bomber, I learned a trick here on r.a.s. (thanks Dave) a while ago
about how to make a surprisingly working no-CD for N4. You need a bit
of harddisk space though. Get DaemonTools
(http://www.daemon-tools.com/daemon.htm) and CloneCD (http://home.onet.co.uk/~cloneclinic/CloneFiles/ccddown.htm).

First, use ClodeCD to make a image of the N4 cd, then use daemon tools
to use the image as a virtual cd-rom drive.

It works as a charm. Loading speeds are fast, the cd-check never fails
(as is does on my system with the dvd-rom) and you havne't copied the
cd. I haven't tried this with any other games at the same time,
but with my new 60 GB harddisk, I can fill it with a few favorites I
think.

--
Olav K. Malmin
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by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:24:57

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:09:11 GMT, "Colin Harris"

>I disagree - about a year ago, I posted how my GPL CD was so battered that
>it barely works any more, I emailed Papy asking for a replacement (I'd
>gladly send my old one to them as proof), but was told that they'd just sell
>me a new one for $10, I think it was. I know that's not a great deal of
>cash, but it might be to someone. I can copy my music CDs if I want (for
>personal use), I can copy my videos, pretty much anything that I use for
>'entertainment', but I can't copy GPL or N4 to race online. Already, after 4
>months, my N4 CD is looking VERY worse for wear - if I have to replace that,
>that's a full-priced game. So yeah, I'd LOVE a no-CD for N4, please, one
>that works online.

What the hell are you doing with your cd's that they're battered up
after 4 months? Don't use your cd's as coasters!

Andre

by **John Poutr** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:24:26

ok, then why isn't Windows XP much cheaper as you can't just copy it and put
it on multiple machines like the old version?

> Yes, but leaving the CD in the drive is a small price to pay to try to cut
> down on s/w piracy. DO you whine about every little thing?

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash

> > >There isn't one (and I honestly hope that there will never be).

> > Why? It's a pain keeping the cd in the cdrom drive.

by **MadDAW** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:25:04

IMO the real pirates are the software companies that put out half finished
software and charge full price for it.

MadDAWG

by **Colin Harri** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:13:04

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:09:11 GMT, "Colin Harris"

> What the hell are you doing with your cd's that they're battered up
> after 4 months? Don't use your cd's as coasters!

> Andre

So THAT'S where I'm going wrong! I was expecting you to chip in, too,
mentioning the five-damn-minutes-to-load-N4-every-sodding-time thing....I
want a no-CD patch if only to cure that!

by **Colin Harri** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:16:07

. So yeah, I'd LOVE a no-CD for N4, please, one
(http://home.onet.co.uk/~cloneclinic/CloneFiles/ccddown.htm).

. I haven't tried this with any other games at the same time,

Cheers Olav, great advice matey! (Although, I fear you just gave it to
mention that behemoth af a HDD again!)

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