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OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

Tom Hesselma

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Tom Hesselma » Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:01:41

I am going to upgrade MB/CPU/RAM and don't want to reinstall on dual
boot Win2K/98se System Commander system.

I've read about exporting/removing the ENUM section of the registry in
Win98 before installing a new MB/RAM/Processor, and letting OS find new
hardware, but what will work in Win2K, anything?

Will Win2K just find new hardware, or is the drill the same/similar?

--
Tom Hesselman
Greenville, WI

Rafe McAulif

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Rafe McAulif » Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:44:06

I don't know about Win 2k, but I did the ENUM trick in Win98SE with no
probs. Just delete the HKLM/ENUM from the registry the last time you
boot before installing the hardware.

Rafe Mc



ikste

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by ikste » Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:23:37

Win98 will do this no problems.

Win2k will probably not boot - the changes to your IDE
controller alone would account for this.  I went from an
Intel BX platform to an AMD760 base and I had to
do a Win2k repair from the cd-rom and then re-apply
service packs and then the vendor drivers.  It was
stable after that, but I'm not sure how "clean".

I have since re-installed win2k for other reasons so I
can't vouch for long term stability.

And be very very careful with system command and 98se.

iksteh


<snip>

Phil Flac

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Phil Flac » Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:56:17


> Win98 will do this no problems.

> Win2k will probably not boot - the changes to your IDE
> controller alone would account for this.  I went from an
> Intel BX platform to an AMD760 base and I had to
> do a Win2k repair from the cd-rom and then re-apply
> service packs and then the vendor drivers.  It was
> stable after that, but I'm not sure how "clean".

> I have since re-installed win2k for other reasons so I
> can't vouch for long term stability.

> And be very very careful with system command and 98se.

> iksteh

Went from an intel P3 BX to an abit kg7 athlon1.4 setup without any
problems whatsoever on W2k.  It only complained a bit because it was
left in hibernation mode before the upgrade!

Phil

Tom Hesselma

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Tom Hesselma » Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:35:43

*SNIP
*SNIP*

Care to elaborate on being careful with System Commander and 98se?
Worked great here for last year or so with 98se on C: and Win2k on E:

Thanks

--
Tom Hesselman
Greenville, WI

Simon Brow

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Simon Brow » Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:24:45

Just curious, I have WinME and have just installed a new motherboard and
CPU.  ME detected the new board and everything seems fine.  When is this
ENUM trick necessary?


Stephen Smit

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Stephen Smit » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:02:11

Yeah, Simon, I'm abt. to try this trick (new AMD CPU & mobo replacing an
elderly P3-650), so I'm curious, too.


> Just curious, I have WinME and have just installed a new motherboard and
> CPU.  ME detected the new board and everything seems fine.  When is this
> ENUM trick necessary?



> > I don't know about Win 2k, but I did the ENUM trick in Win98SE with no
> > probs. Just delete the HKLM/ENUM from the registry the last time you
> > boot before installing the hardware.

> > Rafe Mc

Rafe McAulif

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Rafe McAulif » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:45:34

If you let Windoze detect the new hardware, etc. by itself then it
*should* work fine still. But the old hardware will still be left in
the system, drivers etc. will still be loaded. You can boot to safe
mode and clear them out but it's still not 100%.

This way Windoze starts from a clear slate and re-detects all new
hardware. The drivers will still be present on the system but not
loaded, so it will only utilise the ones it needs.

It won't fix a broken windoze but it should work well 99% of the time.
And heaps easier than a full reinstall :)

Rafe Mc

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:02:11 GMT, "Stephen Smith"


>Yeah, Simon, I'm abt. to try this trick (new AMD CPU & mobo replacing an
>elderly P3-650), so I'm curious, too.



>> Just curious, I have WinME and have just installed a new motherboard and
>> CPU.  ME detected the new board and everything seems fine.  When is this
>> ENUM trick necessary?



>> > I don't know about Win 2k, but I did the ENUM trick in Win98SE with no
>> > probs. Just delete the HKLM/ENUM from the registry the last time you
>> > boot before installing the hardware.

>> > Rafe Mc

ikste

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by ikste » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:52:18



<snip>
> Care to elaborate on being careful with System Commander and 98se?
> Worked great here for last year or so with 98se on C: and Win2k on E:

hehe - probably not, i might might a complete fool out of myself.

it's in the SysCommander doco that you can nuke Win98 installs
 very easily.  sounds like you did it the right way.  myself
and a friend were drunk one night and thought we'd repartition
our drives.  needless to say, after one of us broke his system, the
other (me) said "that should have worked" and broke his.

It was good for a laugh, but it's made me paranoid of SC.  We
have since called it the SC Drunk Virus because it spreads from
drive to drive in the presence of ***.

That and 6 months later a friend went to boot his machine and
the system commander partition which he though he'd deleted
months ago pops up.  He was sober so i reckon it's big brother...

The caution is valid though - the SC documentation does list
some specific steps to take care of when using with 98 or you
can lose your system partition.

iksteh

Stephen Smit

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Stephen Smit » Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:46:21

Rafe,

So what yer saying is I should amputate the ENUM branch of the Registry
tree, shut down, swap mobos, then fire it up & let Win discover the new h/w?
Or are you saying never mind messing w. the Reg, just shut down, swap, &
reboot?  (I'm not changing anything BUT the mobo & CPU: same RAM, HD, video,
sound, NIC, mouse, kybd., monitor, all apps, etc.)

--Steve


> If you let Windoze detect the new hardware, etc. by itself then it
> *should* work fine still. But the old hardware will still be left in
> the system, drivers etc. will still be loaded. You can boot to safe
> mode and clear them out but it's still not 100%.

> This way Windoze starts from a clear slate and re-detects all new
> hardware. The drivers will still be present on the system but not
> loaded, so it will only utilise the ones it needs.

> It won't fix a broken windoze but it should work well 99% of the time.
> And heaps easier than a full reinstall :)

> Rafe Mc

> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:02:11 GMT, "Stephen Smith"

> >Yeah, Simon, I'm abt. to try this trick (new AMD CPU & mobo replacing an
> >elderly P3-650), so I'm curious, too.



> >> Just curious, I have WinME and have just installed a new motherboard
and
> >> CPU.  ME detected the new board and everything seems fine.  When is
this
> >> ENUM trick necessary?



> >> > I don't know about Win 2k, but I did the ENUM trick in Win98SE with
no
> >> > probs. Just delete the HKLM/ENUM from the registry the last time you
> >> > boot before installing the hardware.

> >> > Rafe Mc

JM

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by JM » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:09:21


Just to mention I changed my aliV based mobo with k6II chip for an abit kg7
lite with 1400 tbird, everything else stayed the same- gfx, sound, drives,
etc.

WinME picked up all the necessary changes on first boot, then I installed
the updates (via 4 in 1 etc) and no problems since.  System does a clean
shutdown in three seconds, no problems with confused OS.

cheers
John

Stephen Smit

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Stephen Smit » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:34:47

Thx for the info, John.




> > If you let Windoze detect the new hardware, etc. by itself then it
> > *should* work fine still. But the old hardware will still be left in
> > the system, drivers etc. will still be loaded. You can boot to safe
> > mode and clear them out but it's still not 100%.

> > This way Windoze starts from a clear slate and re-detects all new
> > hardware. The drivers will still be present on the system but not
> > loaded, so it will only utilise the ones it needs.

> > It won't fix a broken windoze but it should work well 99% of the time.
> > And heaps easier than a full reinstall :)

> > Rafe Mc

> Just to mention I changed my aliV based mobo with k6II chip for an abit
kg7
> lite with 1400 tbird, everything else stayed the same- gfx, sound, drives,
> etc.

> WinME picked up all the necessary changes on first boot, then I installed
> the updates (via 4 in 1 etc) and no problems since.  System does a clean
> shutdown in three seconds, no problems with confused OS.

> cheers
> John

Simon Brow

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Simon Brow » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:56:51

Ok, thanks for the reply Rafe :)


Rafe McAulif

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Rafe McAulif » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:15:26

Sorry, kind of wixed my mords :)

If you amputate the ENUM branch of the registry (just as you stated)
then change the hardware you will only have the drivers, etc. loaded
that pertain to your NEW system. Once Windoze loads them.

Some ppl seem to have resonable success with just letting windoze
change to the new hardware automatically (like John below), but this
has never worked for me. Horses for courses, but I do believe that the
ENUM trick works better.

Rafe Mc

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:46:21 GMT, "Stephen Smith"


>Rafe,

>So what yer saying is I should amputate the ENUM branch of the Registry
>tree, shut down, swap mobos, then fire it up & let Win discover the new h/w?
>Or are you saying never mind messing w. the Reg, just shut down, swap, &
>reboot?  (I'm not changing anything BUT the mobo & CPU: same RAM, HD, video,
>sound, NIC, mouse, kybd., monitor, all apps, etc.)

>--Steve



>> If you let Windoze detect the new hardware, etc. by itself then it
>> *should* work fine still. But the old hardware will still be left in
>> the system, drivers etc. will still be loaded. You can boot to safe
>> mode and clear them out but it's still not 100%.

>> This way Windoze starts from a clear slate and re-detects all new
>> hardware. The drivers will still be present on the system but not
>> loaded, so it will only utilise the ones it needs.

>> It won't fix a broken windoze but it should work well 99% of the time.
>> And heaps easier than a full reinstall :)

>> Rafe Mc

>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:02:11 GMT, "Stephen Smith"

>> >Yeah, Simon, I'm abt. to try this trick (new AMD CPU & mobo replacing an
>> >elderly P3-650), so I'm curious, too.



>> >> Just curious, I have WinME and have just installed a new motherboard
>and
>> >> CPU.  ME detected the new board and everything seems fine.  When is
>this
>> >> ENUM trick necessary?



>> >> > I don't know about Win 2k, but I did the ENUM trick in Win98SE with
>no
>> >> > probs. Just delete the HKLM/ENUM from the registry the last time you
>> >> > boot before installing the hardware.

>> >> > Rafe Mc

Stephen Smit

OT - Upgrade MB without reinstalling OS?

by Stephen Smit » Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:05:24

Thx, Rafe.


> Sorry, kind of wixed my mords :)

> If you amputate the ENUM branch of the registry (just as you stated)
> then change the hardware you will only have the drivers, etc. loaded
> that pertain to your NEW system. Once Windoze loads them.

> Some ppl seem to have resonable success with just letting windoze
> change to the new hardware automatically (like John below), but this
> has never worked for me. Horses for courses, but I do believe that the
> ENUM trick works better.

> Rafe Mc

> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:46:21 GMT, "Stephen Smith"

> >Rafe,

> >So what yer saying is I should amputate the ENUM branch of the Registry
> >tree, shut down, swap mobos, then fire it up & let Win discover the new
h/w?
> >Or are you saying never mind messing w. the Reg, just shut down, swap, &
> >reboot?  (I'm not changing anything BUT the mobo & CPU: same RAM, HD,
video,
> >sound, NIC, mouse, kybd., monitor, all apps, etc.)

> >--Steve



> >> If you let Windoze detect the new hardware, etc. by itself then it
> >> *should* work fine still. But the old hardware will still be left in
> >> the system, drivers etc. will still be loaded. You can boot to safe
> >> mode and clear them out but it's still not 100%.

> >> This way Windoze starts from a clear slate and re-detects all new
> >> hardware. The drivers will still be present on the system but not
> >> loaded, so it will only utilise the ones it needs.

> >> It won't fix a broken windoze but it should work well 99% of the time.
> >> And heaps easier than a full reinstall :)

> >> Rafe Mc

> >> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:02:11 GMT, "Stephen Smith"

> >> >Yeah, Simon, I'm abt. to try this trick (new AMD CPU & mobo replacing
an
> >> >elderly P3-650), so I'm curious, too.



> >> >> Just curious, I have WinME and have just installed a new motherboard
> >and
> >> >> CPU.  ME detected the new board and everything seems fine.  When is
> >this
> >> >> ENUM trick necessary?



> >> >> > I don't know about Win 2k, but I did the ENUM trick in Win98SE
with
> >no
> >> >> > probs. Just delete the HKLM/ENUM from the registry the last time
you
> >> >> > boot before installing the hardware.

> >> >> > Rafe Mc


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