How deplorable for Ferrari and the sport itself. It certainly has lost my
veiwership and support after this.
How deplorable for Ferrari and the sport itself. It certainly has lost my
veiwership and support after this.
Rafe Mc
On Mon, 13 May 2002 04:44:56 GMT, "rik zeppelin"
>> The title says it all.
>> How deplorable for Ferrari and the sport itself. It certainly has lost my
>> veiwership and support after this.
> Rafe Mc
> On Mon, 13 May 2002 04:44:56 GMT, "rik zeppelin"
> >I'm starting to think MS would f*ck his sister if it would help him win.
> >Sickening, really.
> >> The title says it all.
> >> How deplorable for Ferrari and the sport itself. It certainly has lost
my
> >> veiwership and support after this.
I heard Jodi Scheckter virtually condoning the actions on radio 5 Live today.. He reckons
any team would do the same.
I'm assuming it wasn't MS's decision to do what happened, rather it was the
Ferrari Team decision and MS obeyed as a paid employee should. I'm guessing
that Ferrari doesn't want to take any chances with winning the title, and I
don't blame them after putting millions and millions of dollars into it.
Although, I was really pissed off at first and disgusted when I first saw
the incident. But, I do sort of understand the reasoning behind it. If
anything, get mad at the FIA for letting that happen, or Ferrari for wanting
to win. Don't get mad at MS for probably just doing his job.
Mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > Rafe Mc
> > On Mon, 13 May 2002 04:44:56 GMT, "rik zeppelin"
> > >I'm starting to think MS would f*ck his sister if it would help him
win.
> > >Sickening, really.
> > >> The title says it all.
> > >> How deplorable for Ferrari and the sport itself. It certainly has
lost
> my
> > >> veiwership and support after this.
> I think the "MS ***ing his sister to win" comment is a little over-the-top.
> I'm assuming it wasn't MS's decision to do what happened, rather it was the
> Ferrari Team decision and MS obeyed as a paid employee should. I'm guessing
> that Ferrari doesn't want to take any chances with winning the title, and I
> don't blame them after putting millions and millions of dollars into it.
> Although, I was really pissed off at first and disgusted when I first saw
> the incident. But, I do sort of understand the reasoning behind it. If
> anything, get mad at the FIA for letting that happen, or Ferrari for wanting
> to win. Don't get mad at MS for probably just doing his job.
It's not like he'd get fired if he didn't obey, so other than possibly
putting his 5th WDC in jeopardy, and that's a very tiny "possible" by
the looks of things, he wasn't risking much by not obeying, Ferrari
would still get 16 team points
You'd think a person with 4 WDC's behind him, not to mention more wins
than any other F1 driver in history, would be big enough to risk his 5th
by letting his teammate, who he himself says is the best team mate he
has ever had, get a well deserved win
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"The Pits" http://www.racesimcentral.net/
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--
Stirling Moss
(Lifted from rasf1m, original poster Stephen Baines)
I guess it's my fault for offering my opinion on this whole F1 thing.. seems
to be a touchy subject for everyone involved.
Mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > I think the "MS ***ing his sister to win" comment is a little
over-the-top.
> > I'm assuming it wasn't MS's decision to do what happened, rather it was
the
> > Ferrari Team decision and MS obeyed as a paid employee should. I'm
guessing
> > that Ferrari doesn't want to take any chances with winning the title,
and I
> > don't blame them after putting millions and millions of dollars into it.
> > Although, I was really pissed off at first and disgusted when I first
saw
> > the incident. But, I do sort of understand the reasoning behind it. If
> > anything, get mad at the FIA for letting that happen, or Ferrari for
wanting
> > to win. Don't get mad at MS for probably just doing his job.
> Sorry Mike, but history is littered with people who were just "doing
> their job/doing what they had been told", MS is apparently a fairly
> intelligent person with a very high standing within the team, he was
> either part of the decision or condoned it by his participation
> It's not like he'd get fired if he didn't obey, so other than possibly
> putting his 5th WDC in jeopardy, and that's a very tiny "possible" by
> the looks of things, he wasn't risking much by not obeying, Ferrari
> would still get 16 team points
> You'd think a person with 4 WDC's behind him, not to mention more wins
> than any other F1 driver in history, would be big enough to risk his 5th
> by letting his teammate, who he himself says is the best team mate he
> has ever had, get a well deserved win
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "The Pits" http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> --Groucho Marx--
> I wasn't justifying it or anything, and I definately wasn't talking about
> everyone in history who was "just doing their job". I was just saying that a
> comment like "he'd *** his sister to win" might be going a bit too far.
> Sheesh..
> I guess it's my fault for offering my opinion on this whole F1 thing.. seems
> to be a touchy subject for everyone involved.
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
snip
> Sorry Mike, but history is littered with people who were just "doing
> their job/doing what they had been told", MS is apparently a fairly
> intelligent person with a very high standing within the team, he was
> either part of the decision or condoned it by his participation
How would he have done it? By slowing down? As RB was playing his
role, both would have probably slowed down to a crawl. Now THAT would
have looked funny. Both drivers were ORDERED, both want to drive those
cars (money is factor for those guys anymore).
--
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> snip
> > Sorry Mike, but history is littered with people who were just "doing
> > their job/doing what they had been told", MS is apparently a fairly
> > intelligent person with a very high standing within the team, he was
> > either part of the decision or condoned it by his participation
> So was Rubens.
> > It's not like he'd get fired if he didn't obey, so other than possibly
> > putting his 5th WDC in jeopardy, and that's a very tiny "possible" by
> > the looks of things, he wasn't risking much by not obeying, Ferrari
> > would still get 16 team points
> How would he have done it? By slowing down? As RB was playing his
> role, both would have probably slowed down to a crawl. Now THAT would
> have looked funny. Both drivers were ORDERED, both want to drive those
> cars (money is factor for those guys anymore).
As for how he would have done it, all he had to do was not pass Rubens,
Rubens would have followed his lead as the lap dog he has become and
they could have paraded across the S/F line, and Michael would have been
remembered as the guy who refused to take the win he was offered, it
would have cost him little if anything within the team management, it
would have boosted his popularity elsewhere no end
Hell, even *I* would have respected him as a person for that one, and I
don't like him much, don't get me wrong, I'll admit to his enormous
talent any day, I'll even admit that he might just go down in history as
the most talented driver ever, but I'll never respect him
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > I wasn't justifying it or anything, and I definately wasn't talking
about
> > everyone in history who was "just doing their job". I was just saying
that a
> > comment like "he'd *** his sister to win" might be going a bit too far.
> > Sheesh..
> > I guess it's my fault for offering my opinion on this whole F1 thing..
seems
> > to be a touchy subject for everyone involved.
> Your opinion is as valid as anyone else, I just happen to no agree with
> you, if I didn't appreciate your opinion you would have known as I'm not
> famous for my diplomatic skills :-)
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--
Just my thoughts.
Brit
btgoss # 146
> > snip
> > > Sorry Mike, but history is littered with people who were just "doing
> > > their job/doing what they had been told", MS is apparently a fairly
> > > intelligent person with a very high standing within the team, he was
> > > either part of the decision or condoned it by his participation
> > So was Rubens.
> > > It's not like he'd get fired if he didn't obey, so other than possibly
> > > putting his 5th WDC in jeopardy, and that's a very tiny "possible" by
> > > the looks of things, he wasn't risking much by not obeying, Ferrari
> > > would still get 16 team points
> > How would he have done it? By slowing down? As RB was playing his
> > role, both would have probably slowed down to a crawl. Now THAT would
> > have looked funny. Both drivers were ORDERED, both want to drive those
> > cars (money is factor for those guys anymore).
> True, but Rubens hopes that his day with the team will come some day, so
> he has everything to lose, and we might argue that he's a coward for
> rolling over like that, but Michael isn't risking anything at all
> As for how he would have done it, all he had to do was not pass Rubens,
> Rubens would have followed his lead as the lap dog he has become and
> they could have paraded across the S/F line, and Michael would have been
> remembered as the guy who refused to take the win he was offered, it
> would have cost him little if anything within the team management, it
> would have boosted his popularity elsewhere no end
> Hell, even *I* would have respected him as a person for that one, and I
> don't like him much, don't get me wrong, I'll admit to his enormous
> talent any day, I'll even admit that he might just go down in history as
> the most talented driver ever, but I'll never respect him
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> http://www.theuspits.com
> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--
Well golf has more honour and discipline than any other sport I've ever seen.. It may bore
some to death but the standards it set's for sportsmanship are un-equalled by any sport.