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by **elrik** » Wed, 15 May 2002 07:42:20

un-equalled by any sport.

Unless your TW and need a bit of help with a "movable obstruction" :O)

Rules!

They are all a matter of interpretation and that is the loophole that allows
some to go around the "spirit of the law".

Annoying!

Elrikk

by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 15 May 2002 12:33:17

> Sorry Mike, but history is littered with people who were just "doing
> their job/doing what they had been told", MS is apparently a fairly
> intelligent person with a very high standing within the team, he was
> either part of the decision or condoned it by his participation

> It's not like he'd get fired if he didn't obey, so other than possibly
> putting his 5th WDC in jeopardy, and that's a very tiny "possible" by
> the looks of things, he wasn't risking much by not obeying, Ferrari
> would still get 16 team points

> You'd think a person with 4 WDC's behind him, not to mention more wins
> than any other F1 driver in history, would be big enough to risk his 5th
> by letting his teammate, who he himself says is the best team mate he
> has ever had, get a well deserved win

Bingo! This man has hit the nail on the head. Great post Goy.

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by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 15 May 2002 12:38:13

> How would he have done it? By slowing down? As RB was playing his
> role, both would have probably slowed down to a crawl. Now THAT would
> have looked funny. Both drivers were ORDERED, both want to drive those
> cars (money is factor for those guys anymore).

That's *exactly* what should have happened. Ferrari wouldn't DARE fire
them for that. And even if Ferrari did, it would speak loads for their
m***character on their resume. :-)

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by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 15 May 2002 12:42:52

> Here is the reaction from Sterling Moss
> "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If
> they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff
> it. It is an endor***t of why I'm glad I'm not in F1 today. I cannot
> think of anything more harmful to the image of the sport or Ferrari. The
> magnitude of the disaster in terms of Ferrari's PR could be
> incalculable. I feel sorry for Rubens and for Michael, who clearly did
> not want any part of it."

Now there's someone with the balls to stand up to his employer when they
are wrong. Highly commendable.

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by **Robert Alle** » Thu, 16 May 2002 03:37:39

This is what I was hoping to see from Schumacher. To finally see him show
some balls and gain back some respect but he continues to choose the party
line and why not. It benefits Schumacher and Schumacher alone to do so. I've
lost a fair bit of respect for Reubens as well. The "They pay me to lose"
attitude he has accepted is fit for a loser.

I can still respect Irvine though.

Robert

by **Robert Alle** » Thu, 16 May 2002 03:43:31

Precisely Goy. In the grand scheme of things Ferrari or any other team for
that matter is only concerned with constructor points which Ferrari got full
points for that day whether Reubens was #1 or #2.

Frank Williams has always contended that he really doesn't care which of his
drivers if any won the Drivers championship. It's Contructor points that
matter. It would be the same for Ferrari.

It was just another selfish decision for Schumacher to not let Reubens win.
What's Ferrari going to do? Fire Schumacher? Sure...

by **Peter Ive** » Thu, 16 May 2002 07:04:46

Dunno if you would call snooker a sport, but sometimes refs don't always
spot every foul and yet these guys tell the referee when they've made a
foul during their shot. Can't get more sporting than that. :)
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by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 16 May 2002 08:33:34

As long as you aren't black.

David G Fisher

un-equalled by any sport.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 16 May 2002 10:48:13

>As long as you aren't black.

>David G Fisher

>> Well golf has more honour and discipline than any other sport I've ever
>seen.. It may bore
>> some to death but the standards it set's for sportsmanship are
>un-equalled by any sport.

Ouch... Touche', though.

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by **Dave Case** » Thu, 16 May 2002 14:36:13

You mean like Tiger Woods?

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by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 16 May 2002 19:57:45

> >As long as you aren't black.

> >David G Fisher

> >> Well golf has more honour and discipline than any other sport I've ever
> >seen.. It may bore
> >> some to death but the standards it set's for sportsmanship are
> >un-equalled by any sport.

> Ouch... Touche', though.

Bit OT I guess, but I'd like to get a brief recap here if possible ?

I'm not into golf so I guess I've missed something here...

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 17 May 2002 01:56:23

writes:

>> Here is the reaction from Sterling Moss
>> "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If
>> they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff
>> it. It is an endor***t of why I'm glad I'm not in F1 today. I cannot
>> think of anything more harmful to the image of the sport or Ferrari. The
>> magnitude of the disaster in terms of Ferrari's PR could be
>> incalculable. I feel sorry for Rubens and for Michael, who clearly did
>> not want any part of it."

>Now there's someone with the balls to stand up to his employer when they
>are wrong. Highly commendable.

But would he have said "stuff it" as Rubens or as Michael? Two VASTLY
different things, actually. Different from position of power, or possible
reprimands, or even job security...

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 17 May 2002 03:06:03

>Bit OT I guess, but I'd like to get a brief recap here if possible ?

>I'm not into golf so I guess I've missed something here...

Golf has typically been one of those "good 'ol boy" sports where blacks were
denied access. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are pissed off that
Tiger Woods has done so well...

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by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 17 May 2002 03:06:12

> Golf has typically been one of those "good 'ol boy" sports where blacks were
> denied access. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are pissed off that
> Tiger Woods has done so well...

Oki, thx

Oh well, never cared for golf anyways, now I have another excuse to
*** at those who do :-)

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by **Rob Adam** » Fri, 17 May 2002 03:34:35

I'm just bugged that Tiger has raised the profile of golf so that it now
gets time on the nightly sports that used to be reserved for the only true
sport: hockey ;)

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