Errr, try GPII again, but this time turn off the 'steering help' and
'opposite lock' options in the configuration screens and *then* come
back and tell me that GPII is hard to spin!
F1RS reminds me of my first experience of ICR, there's a lot more 'play'
in the car and you can almost feel the momentum in a turn. In this
respect its more forgiving than GPII.
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Suck The Goat
It's just a thought Randy, but it seems to me that the 'sag switch'
which you mention and the point at which the wheels start to spin
occur at different times.
Perhaps the sag switch is actually the game modelling the engine load.
It doesn't matter what rpm your running, back off a little and the
revs drop off significantly as the engine load becomes zero. Power on
gently and as you reach the point where the engine has to start doing
some work, the revs increase significantly.
I agree though that it sounds a little wierd.
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I've never driven f1rs, but i promise, if you don't have the setup right,
you can spin the car very easily is gp2. Remember, it all depends on
setup. Try puting a lot of front wing in , take all your rear wing off,
stiffen everything you can on the rear, loosen everything you can on the
front suspension, race at monaco or hungary, then tell me you can't spin
the car. If you work with setups a lot more, you will find that a loose
setup is much faster, it is also harder to drive. Any good race driver will
tell you that a fast car is one that is hard to control.
> I'm only using a joystick, but will be buying a wheel tonight. However,
> already I see that there is much more to driving a Formula One car than
> Grand Prix 2 would suggest. It seems to be that in GP2 the car is very
> hard to "spin" when cornering, unless to put a wheel on the grass.
> In F1RS, even on easy, the car will "spin" pretty quickly if you haven't
> braked enough.
> I don't know which one is more realistic, as I've never driven a F1 car,
> but in my opinion, GP2 is too forgiving. F1RS seems to be much closer
> to what I think a F1 car would handle like. It also seems to require
> much more skill than GP2, which also seems to make me think that it's
> more realistic.
> Regards
> Andrew
> > >After reading the many comments in this thread, the thought has
occurred
> > >to me that perhaps for some of us, particularly those with many hours
on
> > >it, GP2 has taught us things that were not quite right. As a result,
> > >now we find it difficult to adapt to a sim which is more accurate in
> > >many ways because we're used to the way GP2 behaves.
> > This is exactly what I am thinking. From what I have read you seem
> > to think the driving model of F1RS is more realistic. I agree. I also
> > really think that many people are comparing F1RS to GP2 assuming
> > GP2 is the real deal. And this is where they are getting in trouble :-)
> > Also, as for seeing the tires in the***pit view? I much prefer this
> > and it is probably why I am hitting the corners better. I am hitting
> > La Source every time now, where before (GP2) I would go *WAY*
> > wider than Berger does :-) I also like the driving line to be
displayed.
> > IMHO the real drivers see this after *** is laid on the track
anyway.
> > I do think it would be cool to model less traction if you got off line,
> > ie the marbles :-)
> > --
> > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.
> > >Alison
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Randy, that's bizarre because we have the same PC and I was able to make
work those Alpha2 driver. The Alpha1 didn't work. And the Quake2 OpenGL of
my brother was very amazing. Well, No 2 PC are the same... I am starting to
understand that, but *** companies are not IMHO.
I don't know if you have NVTweak, but go get it. It's a fantastic utility
that made me correct the Cart:PR glitches and all those F1RS bugs (except
the black contours around textures). It's a must.
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> >> > Hi all,
> >> >I know I will probably feel the flames for this but I just sold my F1rs
> >> >tonight for these very same reasons,1.) This zero to hero rpm is so
> >> No flames, just amazement.
> >> --
> > Yeah, I guess this means he's gone off race sims altogether!
> No not at all. Just off his rocker :-)
> Yes the Camber adjustment does seem to be acting wierdly. Now here is
> a wierd thought.....we are all having intitial understeer if Im
> interpeting the reports here accurately. The sim is reporting that the
> camber is set incorrectly...ummmm. I know that would really be
> incredible but it IS interesting.
Poor Widdle Byron forgot to mention his further experiences are limited to
the responses he has gotten to his holier than thou attitudes on the CPR
message board. < sigh> give it up go play have some fun.
> >> >problem. Its like there's a certain spot
> >> >> in the accelerator travel where a touch back and the engine note drops
> >> >> like I've just jumped out of the gas, then perhaps 1/4 of an inch and
> >> >> its okay, and then another 1/4 of an inch (WELL short of fully down)
> >> >> the pitch zooms up and the rev lights slam . I feel like I'm playing
> >> >> with a three way switch instead of an analog pedal. There's lifting,
> >> >> neutral-to-mildly accelerating, and slamming it, all in less than an
> >> >> inch of pedal travel.
> >> Does this only happen in low gears and are the RPMs shooting up because of
> >> tire spin. Check your rear view mirror and see if there is tire smoke.
> >> I've also noticed that the tires seem to spin more easily for a while after
> >> you go on the grass or gravel.
> >> --
> >> Kevin
> >> (Remove the "x-" prefix from my address in order to reply via email)
> > What they are talking about here is trivial
> in your opinion.
Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com
I have NVTweak. Are you saying you can use the rear view mirrors in
F1RS/D3D?
Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com
> > I said this because, although a bug, it is easily overcome by simply
> >lifting off the throttle.
> Not really. If you lift off slightly and the revs plummet you could
> be losing more speed than you want, particuilarly if you're just
> trying to balance the throttle.
