My incompetence at golf is already there... it doesn't have to be enhanced
by the game. I've yet to find an intuitive "trueswing" or similar system.
Jan.
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My incompetence at golf is already there... it doesn't have to be enhanced
by the game. I've yet to find an intuitive "trueswing" or similar system.
Jan.
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> > Well, it's still the leader in physics. That's probably one reason.
> > -Larry
PGA2000 all the way. Well, not really. Computer golf is about as
interesting as computer landscaping. I want a good lawnmower sim. Or
maybe "Walk In the Park 2002".
Jason
Theres *only* one groove on a piece of vinyl
heh heh,
unless you count the B side.
Computer golf is about as
I had it completely sussed - or so I thought - with PGA2000 and that's
why, when it did the complete opposite to my mouse actions, I got really
p*ss*d off at the thing. I could explain how to make hooks or slices
easier to do, but wrong NG for that. So, I've got 2 games on my system
at the mo', N2K2 and GPL. :)
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I was basing what I said on things that I have read here and at various
web sites, but I know I can't prove any of it. So you might be right on
all points. It does seem a bit inconsistent though that GPL would model
actual links and yet not include dynamic camber. How can you have one
and not the other? And yes I'm pretty sure we are talking about the
same thing. Dynamic camber happens because of the links. If you model
the links correctly the tire should change camber correctly as it moves
up and down. The only way that it couldn't do that is if you were
treating it like a beam axle.
Also with regards to the fixed roll centers, my assumption here is based
on the fact that GPL cars behave much like old swing axle cars. Even
Alison Hine has commented on this. High fixed roll centers would
explain this. That would also explain to some degree why most hot
setups have extremely stiff ARB's combined with soft springs and
dampers. IIRC that is exactly the opposite of the way people set their
cars up in the 60's. Stiff springs and dampers with little or nothing
in the way of ARB's was considered the hot setup for roadracing back
then IF you had proper suspension. Stiff ARB's were only used on swing
axle cars, because it was the only way to keep them from rolling over.
Anyway it's all conjecture on my part, if you know that I am wrong then
so be it. ;o)
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Jim
> I was basing what I said on things that I have read here and at various
> web sites, but I know I can't prove any of it. So you might be right on
> all points. It does seem a bit inconsistent though that GPL would model
> actual links and yet not include dynamic camber. How can you have one
> and not the other? And yes I'm pretty sure we are talking about the
> same thing. Dynamic camber happens because of the links. If you model
> the links correctly the tire should change camber correctly as it moves
> up and down. The only way that it couldn't do that is if you were
> treating it like a beam axle.
> Also with regards to the fixed roll centers, my assumption here is based
> on the fact that GPL cars behave much like old swing axle cars. Even
> Alison Hine has commented on this. High fixed roll centers would
> explain this. That would also explain to some degree why most hot
> setups have extremely stiff ARB's combined with soft springs and
> dampers. IIRC that is exactly the opposite of the way people set their
> cars up in the 60's. Stiff springs and dampers with little or nothing
> in the way of ARB's was considered the hot setup for roadracing back
> then IF you had proper suspension. Stiff ARB's were only used on swing
> axle cars, because it was the only way to keep them from rolling over.
> Anyway it's all conjecture on my part, if you know that I am wrong then
> so be it. ;o)
> > "Haqsau" wrote...
> > > They are shown graphically, but the general opinion
> > > (not proof, admittedly) has been that GPL uses fixed
> > > roll centers to model suspension movement. This
> > > would also explain why they show wheel rates rather
> > > than spring rates, because that is also part of the
> > > simplified suspension model.
> > I see... I just mentioned it because I seem to remember reading
> something to
> > the effect of "the cars in GPL are modelled as a collection of
> seperate
> > components (chassis, engine, wheels, etc..) which act upon eachother
> along
> > their _actual_ links" before its release (underline by me).
> > > Hmm, since we do get to see real rates in N4/N2002,
> > > perhaps they are modelling the links in the NASCAR
> > > products.
> > > Regarding dynamic camber, I think they all do, but
> > > in different ways. I don't know how you could even
> > > come close to the right handling if you didn't.
> > > I suspect GPL uses some kind of a curve fit to alter
> > > the camber. For the EA/ISI model it would fall out
> > > as a natural consequence of the suspension kinematics.
> > I wonder if we're talking about the same thing here... I meant do the
> wheels
> > change camber as they move up and down, e.g. do the rear wheel get
> more
> > positive camber when the car squats? -I'm pretty sure it was confirmed
> GPL
> > does not model this.
> > Jan.
> > =---
--Plowboy or Sting32 if you see me online
> Or the "What to do" list at the top left of this page:
> http://hotgrids.racesimcentral.com/
> Mikkel
> > Hey,
> > Im "Johny come back to GPL lately" and the part below I quote, but I
dont
> > find the "essentials" I see a sheet load of neat and new stuff but Im
> like
> > overwhelmed on what to get, what not to get!!! is there really an
> > essentials list anyone could give me, as Im not in a big hurry to get
> racks,
> > but most of the stuff over time would be good. what is an idea about 16
> bit
> > gfx, should I have it with my p3-800 with G-F 2?
> > Man I wish papy would have leased the code used for WinVrock and
> implemented
> > similiar for thier online client... wow that thing is awesome,
everything
> > you ever needed to join or host a race online... WOW!
> > again, as I found some 1000+ setups somewhere and I an restarting my
> > training when I can find time, at monza...
> > LOL you have to give me a tiny break though, I mean Im use to like 5
> corners
> > max <G> except the couple roadcourse in NR2002...
> > Im able to do 1.29.3? with a eagle at the moment... not consistantly
but
> > at leas one lap each race is that fast...
> > thanks Jan,
> > Plowboy
> > > If you own the game, visit the "essentials guide" (not sure what they
> call
> > > it) at racesimcentral, bring your copy up to date and join in the fun.
> > > There's lots of life left in the old girl.
> > > Jan.
> > > =---
> > > In my school, those who played football did so because they were not
man
> > > enough to play rugby :-)
> > In my school, those with skill and fitness played football. All the
others
> > played rugby... <g>
> LOL
> At 25, could do 100m in 11.4 s. At 38 years of age, I'll still show most
25
> year olds in my district a clean pair of heels over a mile, such is the
> couch potato culture we live in. Last real run out was the Fleet 1/2
> marathon two years ago. 1Hr 26mins
> MS
Great times, tho.
I wont *** 2002 with add-on friend!!!
LOL
Chris_K
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