I got this game a couple weeks ago and finally tried playing it. The
steering is very poor though, all the cars are very touchy at high speed.
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Yeah, though '***' isn't a word I'd use to describe it...
> Yeah, though '***' isn't a word I'd use to describe it...
Your mileage may vary, of course, and I will give you this -- patch or
no patch, it's still not GPL.
;-)
-- JB
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I thought the physics patch for SCGT made the lower-level cars skid around
too much. I only used the slick grass bit.
John, does your patch work with the demo?
I bought the full version when it came out, but traded it for
something else after pulling my hair out trying to fix the physics.
Also, does your patch fix that weird auto-centering force that seems
to keep the car from spinning no matter how you drive it?
Jason
> >"***" is in the eye of the beholder, apparently. I'd say the
> >"***" physics patch basically does for TIR what the advanced
> >physics patch did for SCGT -- and it's certainly "***" with
> >respect to the out-of-the-box physics values from Razorworks.
> John, does your patch work with the demo?
> I bought the full version when it came out, but traded it for
> something else after pulling my hair out trying to fix the physics.
> Also, does your patch fix that weird auto-centering force that seems
> to keep the car from spinning no matter how you drive it?
> Jason
There is an "Advanced Physics Patch" that's made specifically for the
demo (the advanced patch features a bit more grip and a tad bit less
realism than the "*** Physics Patch). The "***" patch CAN
be used with the demo, but it won't install to the correct directory
on its own -- I'd recommend installing the demo, then installing the
"***" patch to its default directory, and after that, just copy
the entire directory structure (files and paths) over to your demo
directory (overwriting all the old demo files with the "***"
patch files).
You can find all the patches here:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Let me know what you think -- I believe the advanced AND ***
physics both "fix" the steering issues you indicated. You WILL spin
with the modified physics, and you will usually know WHY you're
spinning, and what it was that YOU did to make a spin happen. GREAT
physics, IMO -- TIR was HIGHLY under-rated by simmers in general.
Overshadowed by the GTR mod for F12002, I suppose, but I'd rank TIR's
physics right up there near the top -- in the same league as SCGT,
Viper Racing, and NASCAR Heat, IMO. Your mileage may vary, of course,
and opinions are like belly-buttons . . .
;-)
Enjoy!
-- JB
> >Try practicing a few laps at each track with the race engineer function
> >turned on, before you go to race there...
> >The game will automatically start to improve the handling and grip of the
> >car as you cut clean practice laps.
> Race engineer? Cool, I wish that was in N2k3 or F1 C. It would help us
> mechanically-challenged types.
> Eldred
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Kendt
> > >Try practicing a few laps at each track with the race engineer function
> > >turned on, before you go to race there...
> > >The game will automatically start to improve the handling and grip of the
> > >car as you cut clean practice laps.
> > Race engineer? Cool, I wish that was in N2k3 or F1 C. It would help us
> > mechanically-challenged types.
> > Eldred
> > --
> Yeah - cool, provided it improves the handling by fidling with the
> actual car setup, rather than just tweaking some internal grip
> parameters or something. Might be worth checking out if it works
> correctly.
> Kendt
-- JB
> > > >Try practicing a few laps at each track with the race engineer
function
> > > >turned on, before you go to race there...
> > > >The game will automatically start to improve the handling and grip of
the
> > > >car as you cut clean practice laps.
> > > Race engineer? Cool, I wish that was in N2k3 or F1 C. It would help
us
> > > mechanically-challenged types.
> > > Eldred
> > > --
> > Yeah - cool, provided it improves the handling by fidling with the
> > actual car setup, rather than just tweaking some internal grip
> > parameters or something. Might be worth checking out if it works
> > correctly.
> > Kendt
> It works -- the "race engineer" will actually dial in new setup
> parameters for you, and you can save or view the resultant setup
> parameters . . . no "behind-the-scenes" magic going on with the
> physics engine, grip parameters, etc.. This is relatively good stuff
> that everybody seemed to miss out on -- for a first-time shot at
> producing a driving sim, Razorworks did a damn fine job. I've said
> before that with the physics patches, it's a lot like SCGT2. Not as
> mod-able as the ISI sims in terms of adding cars and tracks, but the
> physics are VERY mod-able / tweakable (all the physics variables for
> the tracks and cars are as easily accessible as in an ISI sim). TIR
> also features some VERY nicely-implemented engine/environment sounds
> (you can make my sound patches work with the demo, and the patches
> definitely improve the tyre sounds). The in-car***pit views are
> some of the best I've seen -- nice***pit physics, combined with an
> unobstructed view of the road ahead . . . much less claustrophobic
> than NR2003, IMO.
> -- JB
> > > > >Try practicing a few laps at each track with the race engineer
> function
> > > > >turned on, before you go to race there...
> > > > >The game will automatically start to improve the handling and grip of
> the
> > > > >car as you cut clean practice laps.
> > > > Race engineer? Cool, I wish that was in N2k3 or F1 C. It would help
> us
> > > > mechanically-challenged types.
> > > > Eldred
> > > > --
> > > Yeah - cool, provided it improves the handling by fidling with the
> > > actual car setup, rather than just tweaking some internal grip
> > > parameters or something. Might be worth checking out if it works
> > > correctly.
> > > Kendt
> > It works -- the "race engineer" will actually dial in new setup
> > parameters for you, and you can save or view the resultant setup
> > parameters . . . no "behind-the-scenes" magic going on with the
> > physics engine, grip parameters, etc.. This is relatively good stuff
> > that everybody seemed to miss out on -- for a first-time shot at
> > producing a driving sim, Razorworks did a damn fine job. I've said
> > before that with the physics patches, it's a lot like SCGT2. Not as
> > mod-able as the ISI sims in terms of adding cars and tracks, but the
> > physics are VERY mod-able / tweakable (all the physics variables for
> > the tracks and cars are as easily accessible as in an ISI sim). TIR
> > also features some VERY nicely-implemented engine/environment sounds
> > (you can make my sound patches work with the demo, and the patches
> > definitely improve the tyre sounds). The in-car***pit views are
> > some of the best I've seen -- nice***pit physics, combined with an
> > unobstructed view of the road ahead . . . much less claustrophobic
> > than NR2003, IMO.
> > -- JB
> I agree it's a very fun game/sin!
> Wasn't this the original World Sportscar game that the West brothers were
> working on, and never seemed able to finish (sort of like Racing Legends, ha
> ha!)
Here's my guess on the "WSC" references in the TIR code:
Since TIR was created FROM SCRATCH by Razorworks (no connection at all
to the work the Wests did on WSC -- I have had this fact confirmed by
the Wests AND by folks at Razorworks), the "WSC references in TIR were
probably put in place because Empire probably wanted to go ahead and
use the "WSC" name on Razorworks' handiwork. I'm guessing that the
ensuing broughaha in the sim racing world over the cancellation of WSC
probably convinced Empire to just bury the WSC name, which in turn led
to the Razorworks project being named "Total Immersion Racing, and NOT
"World Sports Cars" or WSC.
This represents a lot of speculation on my part, but as I said, I have
heard firsthand from one of the Wests AND from folks at Razorworks,
and they all concur that TIR contains no work done by the Wests, and
that it is all the result of Razorworks efforts.
Pretty good first effort, too.
Hope this clears things up a bit!
-- JB
While TIR may not include any code from WSC, it certainly made use of
licenses obtained by the West's team. If you look at the track set and
the cars, you will see many of the same cars/tracks that were in the early
publicity shots of WSC. I have NOT :) spoken to a Westie nor the
Razorworks group, but I do have eyes...and these eyes see the GHOST of WSC
in TIR.
dave henrie