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Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

alex

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by alex » Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:10:12



From my experience, attaching everything (wheel, pedal, chair etc) rigidly
to the common frames give the bigger advantage in precision than upgrading
the wheel (unless the wheel is real junk).

Alex.

Bruce Kennewel

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:25:22

Give us two identical cars (GPL1965) on two identical systems and a 15-lap
race around the Nordschliefe, Don, and I'll pit me and one of my trusty
Gravis Analogue Pro j/stick's against you and your mega-dollar wheel/pedal
setup any time.

Even when I had my Advantage 1 wheel/pedal, I could still turn faster laps
with the j/s.

Bruce.


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Don Wilsh

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Don Wilsh » Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:43:19


this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and others
are claiming
great success by attaching wood to make them faster. hehe

DW

JP

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by JP » Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:54:16




> > Me too Schooner.......

> > I attached a two-piece plywood wedge to my racing rig to adjust the
angle
> to
> > something more realistic.  Much better IMHO  :)

> > <T-Dog>
> > ==--==

> this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and
others
> are claiming
> great success by attaching wood to make them faster. hehe

> DW

  And some people play the games with hacks.
Schoone

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Schoone » Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:18:12

Never said it was to make me faster directly, but to make the angle more
comfortable for using.
No one is defending anything, their stating their views on the subject, not
making false quotes to newspapers like some ;-)




> > Me too Schooner.......

> > I attached a two-piece plywood wedge to my racing rig to adjust the
angle
> to
> > something more realistic.  Much better IMHO  :)

> > <T-Dog>
> > ==--==

> this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and
others
> are claiming
> great success by attaching wood to make them faster. hehe

> DW

Don Wilsh

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Don Wilsh » Sat, 24 Jul 2004 06:41:15

Exactly.   Comfort in driving is key . I agree with you.
DW


ymenar

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by ymenar » Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:40:56


> this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and
others
> are claiming
> great success by attaching wood to make them faster. hehe

Wood, plastic, metal... in the end who cares really?   Stop it with your
used-car salesman attitude.

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Ken MacKa

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Ken MacKa » Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:03:39

  > this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and others

Don, don't see your response to the post a couple days ago asking about the
precision of high end wheels. Thought you'd be the first one to jump in to show
how great you gear really is.

Ken

<MM>

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by <MM> » Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:25:29

First off Don...

I don't see anyone "defending" anything.
Secondly, I have both a Momo Racing and a TSW so I am not even talking about
comparisons other than the TSW worked fine in my racing rig with a  __FLAT__
mount and that I added a wooden wedge to change the angle (and comfort) of
the Momo.  That was it.

I said nothing about either one being faster.  Or especially that adding a
wooden wedge to adjust the angle made anything "faster" - just more
comfortable.

F.Y.I.

Cheers
<ThunderDog>
==--==




> > Me too Schooner.......

> > I attached a two-piece plywood wedge to my racing rig to adjust the
angle
> to
> > something more realistic.  Much better IMHO  :)

> > <T-Dog>
> > ==--==

> this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and
others
> are claiming
> great success by attaching wood to make them faster. hehe

> DW

RicSeyle

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by RicSeyle » Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:12:17

Mike Koon was the Zen Master of Joysick driving...


> So true, our league with a lot of great drivers was won by a guy with
> a joystick, he beat people with BRDs, TSWs and one of those fluid
> damped wheels.

> _____

> Steve

> "If you are travelling at the speed of light and turn on the
> headlights, do they work?"


>> Too bad the quote you gave is BS....

>> ----
>> According to Don Wilshe, president of the International Video Gamers
>> Association in Cape Coral, Fla., even a skilled racer with a cheap wheel
>> will probably lose when up against a high-quality rig. "What it can
>> do is
>> slow you down as much as half a second per lap," Wilshe said
>> ----

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RicSeyle

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by RicSeyle » Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:13:56



>>this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and

>others

>>are claiming
>>great success by attaching wood to make them faster. hehe

>Wood, plastic, metal... in the end who cares really?   Stop it with your
>used-car salesman attitude.

Ummmmm that's Emu Ranching Investment Counselor   ;-)

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Don Wilsh

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Don Wilsh » Sun, 25 Jul 2004 04:00:33

Ken:

Im not selling any gear.  I would say the same about any high end product.
ECCI, TSW, ETC. all
make ELITE driving systems.  I have owned over 20 wheels and its all great.
Joysticks work fine
for the obvious reasons.   Brad Davies or CanesFan has always used a
Joystick and drives by the
seat of his pants..   He sits on the joystick.. hehe
dw



>   > this is 2 funny.   Some people are defending there plastic wheels and
others
> > are claiming
> > great success by attaching wood to make them faster. hehe

> > DW

> Don, don't see your response to the post a couple days ago asking about
the
> precision of high end wheels. Thought you'd be the first one to jump in to
show
> how great you gear really is.

> Ken

Don Wilsh

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Don Wilsh » Sun, 25 Jul 2004 04:01:45

Mike Koon does more with less than any of us.

DW


> Mike Koon was the Zen Master of Joysick driving...


> > So true, our league with a lot of great drivers was won by a guy with
> > a joystick, he beat people with BRDs, TSWs and one of those fluid
> > damped wheels.

> > _____

> > Steve

> > "If you are travelling at the speed of light and turn on the
> > headlights, do they work?"


> >> Too bad the quote you gave is BS....

> >> ----
> >> According to Don Wilshe, president of the International Video Gamers
> >> Association in Cape Coral, Fla., even a skilled racer with a cheap
wheel
> >> will probably lose when up against a high-quality rig. "What it can
> >> do is
> >> slow you down as much as half a second per lap," Wilshe said
> >> ----

> --
> Ric Seyler
> Online Racing: RicSeyler
> GPL Handicap 6.35

> http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler
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Byron Forbe

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Byron Forbe » Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:32:48


    Yes, and I was one of those he smoked. But in my defence, I did drive
inside the***pit whereas he drove from F10. Someone he didn't smoke and
was often smoked by, Ian Lake, had a home made contraption that was akin to
a ships wheel. Ian was highly motivated and greatly skilled from GP2. It's
all about motivation and time put in. A head start from any previous
experience is always nice too. :)

    Whatever the controller, it simply needs to be functioning correctly.
The standard driving practice of using power under braking has pretty much
killed off joystick use though as was the case with Wolfgang.

Byron Forbe

Serious racers steer toward high-end equipment

by Byron Forbe » Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:44:51


    A lot of this may be due to the ECCI simply being new. I have used a
$400 (purchased in 1998) wheel up until recently. Now I use a black MOMO
($165). The accuracy thru the pedals of the MOMO was immediately obvious
compared to the old A1 pedals. The A1 (local aussie product) is extremely
sturdy in construction. However, it used 1 MegaOhm pots moving thru just 10%
of their arc and with the pedals being heavily sprung and thus notchy in
their operation, the precision of these pedals is comparitively pathetic.


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