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LFS physics

jason moy

LFS physics

by jason moy » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:13:34

Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an
entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the
throttle?

Jason

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Mike Beaucham

LFS physics

by Mike Beaucham » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:51

But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no reason
too. But I guess I will.

Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only when you
come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics, or
would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've never
tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car..

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com


Haqsa

LFS physics

by Haqsa » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:33:37

Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it.  On a fwd car adding some
brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a
very controllable manner.


> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no
reason
> too. But I guess I will.

> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only
when you
> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics,
or
> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've
never
> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car..

> Mike
> http://mikebeauchamp.com



> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an
> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the
> > throttle?

> > Jason

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jason moy

LFS physics

by jason moy » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:50:52

What about on a rear wheel drive car?

My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or
F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking
most of the turns backwards.

I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious
that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all
the way down.

Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner,
the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line).

Jason



>Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it.  On a fwd car adding some
>brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a
>very controllable manner.



>> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no
>reason
>> too. But I guess I will.

>> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only
>when you
>> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics,
>or
>> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've
>never
>> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car..

>> Mike
>> http://mikebeauchamp.com



>> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an
>> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the
>> > throttle?

>> > Jason

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>> > GPLRank 24.50
>> > N2002Rank -12.995

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Alan Orto

LFS physics

by Alan Orto » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:46:18


You can turn that off. If you go into the cfg file and scroll to the bottom
you can change gear blip and gear cut to 0. Then it will be like GPL ie.
lift and shift and you can also blip your downshifts.

Haqsa

LFS physics

by Haqsa » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:12:01

Rear drive cars definitely respond a bit differently to combined pedal
inputs than fwd cars.  And I agree that you probably shouldn't be able
to keep the throttle all the way down.  But basically the way this same
handles simultaneous modulation of brake and throttle at the limit seems
directionally correct for a fwd car.  As for the question about the
clutch, Mike asked about clutch being engaged while braking, not while
shifting, so I'll stand by my answer on that one.  ;o)


> What about on a rear wheel drive car?

> My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or
> F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking
> most of the turns backwards.

> I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious
> that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all
> the way down.

> Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner,
> the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line).

> Jason



> >Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it.  On a fwd car adding some
> >brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a
> >very controllable manner.



> >> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's
no
> >reason
> >> too. But I guess I will.

> >> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only
> >when you
> >> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the
physics,
> >or
> >> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've
> >never
> >> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car..

> >> Mike
> >> http://mikebeauchamp.com



> >> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an
> >> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the
> >> > throttle?

> >> > Jason

> >> > -----
> >> > GPLRank 24.50
> >> > N2002Rank -12.995

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Steve Blankenshi

LFS physics

by Steve Blankenshi » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:11:02

Hmmm...  Just tried it here with the turbo and went straight off in every
turn when I kept the throttle down and tried to drive using just the brake
for cornering.  Something's amiss if you can get round like that.  BTW, I
have the gear cut and blip set to zero if that matters, and am using an old
LWF with split axis.

SB

> What about on a rear wheel drive car?

> My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or
> F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking
> most of the turns backwards.

> I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious
> that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all
> the way down.

> Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner,
> the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line).

> Jason



> >Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it.  On a fwd car adding some
> >brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a
> >very controllable manner.



> >> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no
> >reason
> >> too. But I guess I will.

> >> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only
> >when you
> >> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics,
> >or
> >> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've
> >never
> >> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car..

> >> Mike
> >> http://mikebeauchamp.com



> >> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an
> >> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the
> >> > throttle?

> >> > Jason

> >> > -----
> >> > GPLRank 24.50
> >> > N2002Rank -12.995

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> N2002Rank -12.995

Luke Phillip

LFS physics

by Luke Phillip » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:18:50

Err not sure how you have done that, i know its far too impossible to do in
the turbo, but in the other two, you couldnt brake anywhere near your normal
braking point or the front wheels just lock up and you run straight off the
track.. unless you have a setup for demon braking ;)

Cool Hand Luke


> What about on a rear wheel drive car?

> My only experience with doing this is with a sim like N2002, GPL, or
> F12k2 where attempting to drive without lifting would have me taking
> most of the turns backwards.

> I'm not trying to insult the physics model, I just find it curious
> that you can trailbrake right up to the apex and keep the throttle all
> the way down.

> Also, if you look at the indicators in the bottom right hand corner,
> the clutch does engage when you shift (IIRC it's the middle line).

> Jason



> >Nope, clutch doesn't engage, nor should it.  On a fwd car adding some
> >brake while keeping the power on allows you to kick the tail out in a
> >very controllable manner.



> >> But still using brakes? I've never even tried that.. cause there's no
> >reason
> >> too. But I guess I will.

> >> Does the clutch engage when you brake? I don't think it does. only
> >when you
> >> come to a complete stop. Hmm.. Would this be an error in the physics,
> >or
> >> would a real car let you do that? I've never raced a car and I've
> >never
> >> tried to leave the gas pinned to the floor in a real car..

> >> Mike
> >> http://mikebeauchamp.com



> >> > Anyone else notice that, with the dual-axis patch, you can run an
> >> > entire race at either track without so much as lifting off the
> >> > throttle?

> >> > Jason

> >> > -----
> >> > GPLRank 24.50
> >> > N2002Rank -12.995

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> GPLRank 24.50
> N2002Rank -12.995

David Powel

LFS physics

by David Powel » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:45:47

no! :) i crash into the wall at 100mph head on at t1



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