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Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

darre..

Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

by darre.. » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d
audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for
"reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections.
Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound
reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Chris Schlette

Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

by Chris Schlette » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Soundblaster Live has 3D audio through DirectSound3D.  It also has special
environmental extensions for stuff such as reverb.  However, the reflections
are done with a different sound system called A3D [I do believe, which only
soundboards on based on Aureal's Vortex2 chipset handle such as the Diamond
MX300.  A3D provides a technology that is best described as "sound mapping"
which basically means that for each track Papy has pre-determined how sound
reacts for all portions of the track so that the A3D can then properly
handle where the sound gets outputted through your speaker system. Here is a
bit from the www.a3d.com site:

"A3DT 2.0 uses the geometry of a virtual space to render a life-like
representation of real-world audio, using revolutionary Aureal WavetracingT
technology with reflections and occlusions. Aureal's A3DT positional audio
standard, originally developed for NASA, has set the bar for 3D audio on the
PC. More than seven million users have joined the A3DT revolution -
experiencing realistic, breath-taking 3D audio. A3DT puts the listener in
the 3D world, making sounds appear to come from any direction: left and
right, front and back, above and below. "

FYI, I am only making somewhat educated guesses on whether Papyrus
definitively for sure uses A3D to do their soundmaps.


> I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d
> audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for
> "reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections.
> Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound
> reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

charlie dixo

Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

by charlie dixo » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d
>audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for
>"reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections.
>Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound
>reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Reflections are only supported in the A3D Vortex chip cards, such as
the Diamond 300MMX. Its not an included function in the SoundBlaster
Live cards.  
darre..

Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

by darre.. » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

What a bummer. Thanks to both of you for your help though. :)

Antti Markus Pete

Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

by Antti Markus Pete » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00


SBLive doesn't currently support reflections. It does initial
reflections, obstructions & occlusions, but not reflections in a way
that would be really useful in N3, for example.

More complete support for reflections will be included in the next
version of EAX (3.0). It will bring enhancements like

- localized reflection clusters
- individual reflections for distant echoes
- improved distance cues
- morphing between environments

Once it's released, you don't have to buy a new soundcard as EAX 3.0 will
essentially be a software upgrade and your SBLive's EMU10K1 processor  
easily handles the upcoming features.

But remember, once 3.0 arrives, the game still has to support these
features. I wouldn't expect EAX 3.0 to be around until next spring, so
you can forget reflections in N3 with SBLive.

In the mean time you could go for some Vortex2 based card like I just did
as I'm building a new computer for my ma & pa. I ended up keeping the
SBLive myself because it's so much more than just a gamecard for me.
It's the center of my home audio system and I like the controls SBLive's
AudioHQ provides.

For example, every once in a while I throw mp3 playback to one or two
corners of the room, tune it down a bit and apply some of my own chilly
audio environments to it to create a cool atmosphere while keeping the TV
news coming out from the front speakers free of any spooky fx. I've
learnt to rely on AHQ as I rely on my remote controllers in a daily life.
It does what I want it to do.

---
Antti Markus Peteri

       15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away

                                 - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken

Tom Pabs

Nascar3 and Sound Blaster Live question

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Frankly...I've listened to both in N3.....and I don't like the "reflections"
elements added into the sound in N3.

What we all want....really.....is 3D sound.....i.e. Can I tell a sound that's
physically on my left, right or rear.....actually is sounding like it's in the
correct location!  Right?

Well both the SB Live and MX300 do almost exactly the same EXCELLENT job of
doing that!  From that standpoint....you can select either sound card and be
totally pleased with the results!

I don't like the "reflections" sound elements....for the same reasons I discuss
in my "article" in this edition of "Crew Chief's Notebook" on High Gear
(www.simracingnews.com).  It adds a "reverb" type of an effect...and if you read
my article you'll see the "problems" that it will introduce to any sound source!
If you have an SB Live card....or an MX300 card......try the "soundpak" for N3
at the High Gear site!!  You will be amazed.  And....MX300 users.....if you use
the soundpak from HG ......and setup your sound system as described in the
instructions accompanying the soundpak.........try turning off the "reflections"
and try running say at Indy without them.....I think you will also be
amazed.....the total overall sound quality.....is even better with the
"reflections" turned off!  At least on my sound system it is.

I give the SB Live card the slight advantage over the MX300 based not on "sound
quality"...but on "usefulness" of all its "bells and whistles".......see some of
the other posts under this string for examples.  I love the complete
adaptability of this sound card....to use and apply FX on sounds in hundreds of
unique ways.  The MX300 is not even "close" to the SB Live in this department!

Tom Pabst


> I have a sound blaster live sound card and its suppose to have 3d
> audio but when I go to the sound options menu in Nascar3 the tab for
> "reflections" is not highlighted and I can't select any reflections.
> Am I missing something here that I need to do to enable the sound
> reflections? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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