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by **Destro** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:13:22

I will be buying a 9700 soon (upgrading from a Ti500) and am looking for
a few demos or games that really stress video and cpu. I'm a pretty avid
PC gamer but at this time I'm hard pressed to point to any one game
that stands out above the rest to push ones system.

Sure any game at 16x12x32bit with 4xAA will be pretty slow but it use to
be most games at 10x7x16bit with noAA would be in the ***s to 20s
fps-wise really stressing even the best systems.

It's almost as though hardware has passed games in the race for power.
Perhaps developers misjudged the rate of hardware improvements?

Anyway, Comanche 4 would be my best first choice of a horsepower hungry
game..I guess.

Anyone have an opinion to what's a good game to make my card/system
wanna puke its guts out?

P.S. Heck, now that I think about it, I'm second guessing myself on why
should I upgrade since my system runs what I play just fine (for the
most part). Guess I'm simply digging the fact that the new ATI can do AA
so well with hardly any performance hit.

by **Destro** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:15:46

Damn typo's. Pardon me.

> I will be buying a 9700 soon (upgrading from a Ti500) and am looking for
> a few demos or games that really stress video and cpu. I'm a pretty avid
> PC gamer but at this time I'm hard pressed to point to any one game
> that stands out above the rest to push ones system.

> Sure any game at 16x12x32bit with 4xAA will be pretty slow but it use to
> be most games at 10x7x16bit with noAA would be in the ***s to 20s
> fps-wise really stressing even the best systems.

> It's almost as though hardware has passed games in the race for power.
> Perhaps developers misjudged the rate of hardware improvements?

> Anyway, Comanche 4 would be my best first choice of a horsepower hungry
> game..I guess.

> Anyone have an opinion to what's a good game to make my card/system
> wanna puke its guts out?

> P.S. Heck, now that I think about it, I'm second guessing myself on why
> should I upgrade since my system runs what I play just fine (for the
> most part). Guess I'm simply digging the fact that the new ATI can do AA
> so well with hardly any performance hit.

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:21:46

I think you may find, at lower resolutions, there isn't much difference
between the 9700 and the ti 500. However, as you climb the resolution scale
and increase the FSAA the 9700 will keep steaming along while the ti will
burp and fart and in general slow down like an old 3dfx board.
:)
let us know how things go...make sure you fully remove all software traces
of the Nvidia card before installing the ATI. Good luck.
dave henrie

by **Mike Lam** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:25:39

Try the ATI forums at www.3drage.com
They can answer such questions better since you are intending on running a
ATI card.
Also you better get over there anyways because you'll gonna need a lot of
help getting that ATI card to run. Been there done that, and I don't wanna
go back!

Mike

> Damn typo's. Pardon me.

> > I will be buying a 9700 soon (upgrading from a Ti500) and am looking for
> > a few demos or games that really stress video and cpu. I'm a pretty avid
> > PC gamer but at this time I'm hard pressed to point to any one game
> > that stands out above the rest to push ones system.

> > Sure any game at 16x12x32bit with 4xAA will be pretty slow but it use to
> > be most games at 10x7x16bit with noAA would be in the ***s to 20s
> > fps-wise really stressing even the best systems.

> > It's almost as though hardware has passed games in the race for power.
> > Perhaps developers misjudged the rate of hardware improvements?

> > Anyway, Comanche 4 would be my best first choice of a horsepower hungry
> > game..I guess.

> > Anyone have an opinion to what's a good game to make my card/system
> > wanna puke its guts out?

> > P.S. Heck, now that I think about it, I'm second guessing myself on why
> > should I upgrade since my system runs what I play just fine (for the
> > most part). Guess I'm simply digging the fact that the new ATI can do AA
> > so well with hardly any performance hit.

by **Pluviou** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:06:35

Mafia will probably be a challenge for your card.
Next up.. Morrowind would be a nice test too.

Pluvious

>I will be buying a 9700 soon (upgrading from a Ti500) and am looking for
>a few demos or games that really stress video and cpu. I'm a pretty avid
>PC gamer but at this time I'm hard pressed to point to any one game
>that stands out above the rest to push ones system.

>Sure any game at 16x12x32bit with 4xAA will be pretty slow but it use to
>be most games at 10x7x16bit with noAA would be in the ***s to 20s
>fps-wise really stressing even the best systems.

>It's almost as though hardware has passed games in the race for power.
>Perhaps developers misjudged the rate of hardware improvements?

>Anyway, Comanche 4 would be my best first choice of a horsepower hungry
>game..I guess.

>Anyone have an opinion to what's a good game to make my card/system
>wanna puke its guts out?

>P.S. Heck, now that I think about it, I'm second guessing myself on why
>should I upgrade since my system runs what I play just fine (for the
>most part). Guess I'm simply digging the fact that the new ATI can do AA
>so well with hardly any performance hit.

by **Anders E.** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:59:50

Correction: www.rage3d.com

> Try the ATI forums at www.3drage.com
> They can answer such questions better since you are intending on running a
> ATI card.
> Also you better get over there anyways because you'll gonna need a lot of
> help getting that ATI card to run. Been there done that, and I don't wanna
> go back!

> Mike

> > Damn typo's. Pardon me.

> > > I will be buying a 9700 soon (upgrading from a Ti500) and am looking
for
> > > a few demos or games that really stress video and cpu. I'm a pretty
avid
> > > PC gamer but at this time I'm hard pressed to point to any one game
> > > that stands out above the rest to push ones system.

> > > Sure any game at 16x12x32bit with 4xAA will be pretty slow but it use
to
> > > be most games at 10x7x16bit with noAA would be in the ***s to 20s
> > > fps-wise really stressing even the best systems.

> > > It's almost as though hardware has passed games in the race for power.
> > > Perhaps developers misjudged the rate of hardware improvements?

> > > Anyway, Comanche 4 would be my best first choice of a horsepower
hungry
> > > game..I guess.

> > > Anyone have an opinion to what's a good game to make my card/system
> > > wanna puke its guts out?

> > > P.S. Heck, now that I think about it, I'm second guessing myself on
why
> > > should I upgrade since my system runs what I play just fine (for the
> > > most part). Guess I'm simply digging the fact that the new ATI can do
AA
> > > so well with hardly any performance hit.

by **Tim Mise** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:19:37

Try Rally Trophy & NR2002 with all the bells & whistles. Also I wasn't
expecting a big jump with MSFS2002 but wow! Went from the upper ***s with
no FSAA to the mid 30's in frame rate with 4xFSAA and 16x ansio and one
resolution notch higher! I thought that FS2002 was cpu limited but not as
much as I thought with my XP 2000+.

-Tim

by gg » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:08:55

MOHAA, Omaha Beach. That will stress both CPU and Vid card

by **id..** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:21:23

> Try the ATI forums at www.3drage.com
> They can answer such questions better since you are intending on running a
> ATI card.
> Also you better get over there anyways because you'll gonna need a lot of
> help getting that ATI card to run. Been there done that, and I don't wanna
> go back!

Plenty of people running a 9700 without problems, so if you had problems
my bet is the one causing them is sitting on your chair.

If not why don't you yourself turn to the ATI group and get help.

Regards

Bruno

by **MadDAW** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:33:06

I got the feeling that the problems he was referring to were on previous
cards not the 9700. I too had issues with an older ATI products, but from
what I hear they have greatly improved allot since then. I'm waiting awhile
before trying the 9700 to make sure all things are god. Not to mention
letting the price drop as well.

MadDAWG

by **CFste** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:34:03

Bought mine at a computer fair then sold it on eBay a week later for $15
more than I paid for it. Worst video card I've ever owned, and I've owned a
lot of them. The drivers suck ass, and there was a ghosting problem on three
different monitors I tried.

Buh, bye...

CFster

by **Tony Ra** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:43:55

Ghosting problem here too. I'll try a BNC connection later and see if
that fixes it.
Too early for me to comment on the drivers though since I just picked
up the card today.

by **Mike Lam** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:20:08

MadDawg was right, I had other ATI cards, inparticularly 8500s.
I went through 3 of'em. 1st was DOA, worked with the 2nd for
3 months trying to get it to work correctly without crashing. I
RMA'ed it. 3ts one, the RMA replacement would mysteriously
go blank on me. And yes I lived at rage3d for several months
trying to find answers to my problems. (All this doesn't even
consider the poj Fury card I had a couple years before.)

So it's my fault eh? The guy in the chair? That's a typical
ATI response I've at rage3d to whoever can't get an ATI to work..

Mike

> > Try the ATI forums at www.3drage.com
> > They can answer such questions better since you are intending on running
a
> > ATI card.
> > Also you better get over there anyways because you'll gonna need a lot
of
> > help getting that ATI card to run. Been there done that, and I don't
wanna
> > go back!

> Plenty of people running a 9700 without problems, so if you had problems
> my bet is the one causing them is sitting on your chair.

> If not why don't you yourself turn to the ATI group and get help.

> Regards

> Bruno

by **id..** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:33:38

> So it's my fault eh? The guy in the chair? That's a typical
> ATI response I've at rage3d to whoever can't get an ATI to work..

Since this thread is about 9700 I'd say it's certainly your fault for
thinking its the same with 9700 just because you had problems with 8500
cards.

If the 9700 cards are so bad could you please point out just one review
mentioning any problems apart from AGPx8 which originates in
motherboards not being 100% compatible with the Intel 3.0 AGP standard
and not really a 9700 problem.

Regards

Bruno

by **Tim Mise** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:09:54

You gotta wonder though don't you? 3 cards in a short period of time?
Maybe there is some kind of power/short circuit issue with your MB/Power
supply causing the video card to fail?? In all my life I've had maybe 50
video cards and only had 1 video card go bad and that was a V5 after I pryed
off the heatsinks! If it's just bad luck man, I would avoid airplanes.

-Tim

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