rec.autos.simulators

by **Shrive** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:58:12

You know, now that I think about it, I've probably had 20 or so video cards
in my life and I don't ever remember a single one going bad. Heck, I've
still got most of them out in a box in my garage. That includes my present
Radeon 8500LE, which I love to death - I haven't had the least bit of
trouble with it and it is a great performer, especially when you consider
how much I paid for it a few months ago.

> > So it's my fault eh? The guy in the chair? That's a typical
> > ATI response I've at rage3d to whoever can't get an ATI to work..

> You gotta wonder though don't you? 3 cards in a short period of time?
> Maybe there is some kind of power/short circuit issue with your MB/Power
> supply causing the video card to fail?? In all my life I've had maybe 50
> video cards and only had 1 video card go bad and that was a V5 after I
pryed
> off the heatsinks! If it's just bad luck man, I would avoid airplanes.

> -Tim

by **CFste** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:01:05

Well, I'll tell you I had no luck with mine trying BNC connectors. I think
it has something to do with the dual RAMDACS generating their signals at a
slightly different frequency and causing interference. Some cards do it,
some don't. I also suspect the fact that it has to get power directly from
the power supply has something to do it. Maybe if you're case power supply
is substandard then it's not putting out a "clean" power signal. That was
pure conjecture on my part - I've just never had this problem with a video
card before. And it turns out after perusing Rage3D's forums that a bunch of
other people are having the same problem. They're coming up with all kinds
of solutions over there - move your monitor, move your power cords, replace
your power supply etc. Well I tried all of those things and more with no
luck. If it indeed turns out to be a problem with the dual RAMDACS (i've
heard rumours), then I'll be pissed. I mean, every video card out there
these days has dual monitor support. Number 1,. if they can get it right why
can't ATI with the 9700. And Number 2, why the hell do we need dual monitor
support anyway. I mean really, how many people are using dual monitors? I
can only bear to look at it if I have two identical monitors next to each
other. I run a 22" NEC and don't really want to spend the ching to have
another one next to it - and a 17 or 19 looks stupid in that arrangement.
Hey, maybe a top of the line card like a 9700 should have dual monitor
support, but even the basic nVidia MX cards have it too. Why do all cards
have this? To run the cost up?

CFster

by **CFste** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:01:35

Go to Rage3D and look in the forums.

CFster

by **Ed Solhei** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:04:11

Give the Unreal Tournamet 2003 demo a try - it's a real killer... :-)

--
ed_

by **kalev** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:45:22

i'll second that -- im very happy with my ati 8500 (295/295) and it works
beautifully
...I'll "need" to wait a wait a while for the first price price drop -- grab
the 9700 and then maybe a zalman "80" heatpipe (fanless) solution attached
if theres a chance...

jk

by **Mike Lam** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:51:34

Yeah I wondered why my luck was so bad!
Actually after my 3td 8500 I installed a TI200 and it worked like
a charm from the get go. But I wasn't crazy over the pic quality
and wanted a stronger gf4, so I got a PNY 4400 a couple
months later. I haven't had nothing but good luck with it to!
It will oc like crazy if I want it to....... and it has very good pic
quality.
I've probably bought close to 75 or more v cards in over 15 years
and I only had 2 others be DOA on me. One was a Viper 770
and I can't even remember what the other one was, it was so long ago.
But I'll agree, 3 straight bad v cards of the same make looks funny,
er suspicious.

For anyone wanting a benchmark score:

Abit BD7 raid.
512 DDR
PNY TI 4400 (when benchmarking oc'ed 305/670)
3DMark2k2 12459

Tried a Gainward GS750 but it had problems (The memory issue,
and the best it would do was about 11,000.(Although my drivers
are different now.) I never broke 9000 with any 8500.

Cheers,
Mike

> > So it's my fault eh? The guy in the chair? That's a typical
> > ATI response I've at rage3d to whoever can't get an ATI to work..

> You gotta wonder though don't you? 3 cards in a short period of time?
> Maybe there is some kind of power/short circuit issue with your MB/Power
> supply causing the video card to fail?? In all my life I've had maybe 50
> video cards and only had 1 video card go bad and that was a V5 after I
pryed
> off the heatsinks! If it's just bad luck man, I would avoid airplanes.

> -Tim

by **Charles Palud** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:17:37

. Also I wasn't
> expecting a big jump with MSFS2002 but wow! Went from the upper ***s with
> no FSAA to the mid 30's in frame rate with 4xFSAA and 16x ansio and one
> resolution notch higher! I thought that FS2002 was cpu limited but not as
> much as I thought with my XP 2000+.

Hey that's good news, I got the same CPU but using a Radeon 8500 64MB retail
(better than the 32MB GF2 GTS I was using before) and about all I can do is
crank a few details a little higher and keep the FPS the same as the GF2 was
which is upper ***s in the Seattle area of the sim.

Charles
--
Head Papershuffler
Paper Airplane Division
(currently assigned to the *** Band Flight Dynamics project)

Sadly, due to poor economic conditions the RBFD project is
in the process of being shut down and all personnel involved
have received layoff notices with an effective date of 10-25-02

by **Glen Pittma** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:03:23

Reviews? Those are the articles written by a person who receives a free
product to test?

Free product = Biased

> > So it's my fault eh? The guy in the chair? That's a typical
> > ATI response I've at rage3d to whoever can't get an ATI to work..

> Since this thread is about 9700 I'd say it's certainly your fault for
> thinking its the same with 9700 just because you had problems with 8500
> cards.

> If the 9700 cards are so bad could you please point out just one review
> mentioning any problems apart from AGPx8 which originates in
> motherboards not being 100% compatible with the Intel 3.0 AGP standard
> and not really a 9700 problem.

> Regards

> Bruno

by **Rove** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:36:35

I imagine they receive free test samples from many manufacturers - which one
would they be biased towards?

> > > So it's my fault eh? The guy in the chair? That's a typical
> > > ATI response I've at rage3d to whoever can't get an ATI to work..

> > Since this thread is about 9700 I'd say it's certainly your fault for
> > thinking its the same with 9700 just because you had problems with 8500
> > cards.

> > If the 9700 cards are so bad could you please point out just one review
> > mentioning any problems apart from AGPx8 which originates in
> > motherboards not being 100% compatible with the Intel 3.0 AGP standard
> > and not really a 9700 problem.

> > Regards

> > Bruno

by **Sith Lor** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:23:10

MotoGP.

--
Charlie was a chemist, Charlie is no more,
What Charlie thought was H2O, was H2SO4.

by **Tony Ra** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:46:29

Tried the BNC cable, no difference. Changed my el-cheapo Codegen 300w
power supply to an Antec True Power 430w, no difference.
Re-installed Windows XP and did notice that before installing the
video card drivers there was no ghosting. Install the drivers and the
ghosting comes back, which would lead me to think that maybe it's got
something to do with the drivers.

by **Larr** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:16:50

Well, there's an underwater game called Aqua-somethingoranother that is
gorgeous, but it's always been noted as really *** just about
everything.

-Larry

by **Mart** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:29:08

The game you're trying to remember is Aquanox.

--
Mart
" All those who think they know the
3rd letter in the vowel chain say 'I' "

> Well, there's an underwater game called Aqua-somethingoranother that is
> gorgeous, but it's always been noted as really *** just about
> everything.

> -Larry

> > I will be buying a 9700 soon (upgrading from a Ti500) and am looking for
> > a few demos or games that really stress video and cpu. I'm a pretty avid
> > PC gamer but at this time I'm hard pressed to point to any one game
> > that stands out above the rest to push ones system.

> > Sure any game at 16x12x32bit with 4xAA will be pretty slow but it use to
> > be most games at 10x7x16bit with noAA would be in the ***s to 20s
> > fps-wise really stressing even the best systems.

> > It's almost as though hardware has passed games in the race for power.
> > Perhaps developers misjudged the rate of hardware improvements?

> > Anyway, Comanche 4 would be my best first choice of a horsepower hungry
> > game..I guess.

> > Anyone have an opinion to what's a good game to make my card/system
> > wanna puke its guts out?

> > P.S. Heck, now that I think about it, I'm second guessing myself on why
> > should I upgrade since my system runs what I play just fine (for the
> > most part). Guess I'm simply digging the fact that the new ATI can do AA
> > so well with hardly any performance hit.

by **Larr** » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:05:50

Yeah, yeah... That's the ticket!

-Larry

> The game you're trying to remember is Aquanox.

> --
> Mart
> " All those who think they know the
> 3rd letter in the vowel chain say 'I' "

> > Well, there's an underwater game called Aqua-somethingoranother that is
> > gorgeous, but it's always been noted as really *** just about
> > everything.

> > -Larry

> > > I will be buying a 9700 soon (upgrading from a Ti500) and am looking
for
> > > a few demos or games that really stress video and cpu. I'm a pretty
avid
> > > PC gamer but at this time I'm hard pressed to point to any one game
> > > that stands out above the rest to push ones system.

> > > Sure any game at 16x12x32bit with 4xAA will be pretty slow but it use
to
> > > be most games at 10x7x16bit with noAA would be in the ***s to 20s
> > > fps-wise really stressing even the best systems.

> > > It's almost as though hardware has passed games in the race for power.
> > > Perhaps developers misjudged the rate of hardware improvements?

> > > Anyway, Comanche 4 would be my best first choice of a horsepower
hungry
> > > game..I guess.

> > > Anyone have an opinion to what's a good game to make my card/system
> > > wanna puke its guts out?

> > > P.S. Heck, now that I think about it, I'm second guessing myself on
why
> > > should I upgrade since my system runs what I play just fine (for the
> > > most part). Guess I'm simply digging the fact that the new ATI can do
AA
> > > so well with hardly any performance hit.

by **Bram** » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 02:03:59

>>>Ghosting problem here too. I'll try a BNC connection later and see if
>>>that fixes it.
>>>Too early for me to comment on the drivers though since I just picked
>>>up the card today.

>>Well, I'll tell you I had no luck with mine trying BNC connectors. I think
>>it has something to do with the dual RAMDACS generating their signals at a
>>slightly different frequency and causing interference. Some cards do it,
>>some don't.

> Tried the BNC cable, no difference. Changed my el-cheapo Codegen 300w
> power supply to an Antec True Power 430w, no difference.
> Re-installed Windows XP and did notice that before installing the
> video card drivers there was no ghosting. Install the drivers and the
> ghosting comes back, which would lead me to think that maybe it's got
> something to do with the drivers.

tt

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