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by **Thomas Soerense** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hi gang

Does anyone have experience in overclocking the processor
heavily?

I just read at Toms Hardware "www.tomshardware.com" that he
overclocked a 566 Celeron to 950 MHZ!!!!!!

I think that sounds nice.

Can anyone come to my apartment and overclock my PII 450 to say
750MHZ? I will buy the pizza. I have no idea about what is
happening around overclocking so Im quite reluctant to do it
myself.

BR

Thomas

GPL Enthusiast of Denmark

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by **Pops** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Thomas Soerensen wrote the following...

WHEW! You overclock that much - if it were possible - and you'll be able to
COOK the pizza on top of the computer case!

Pops

by **Sjon Stigte** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

the 450 can hardly be overclocked... it's now running at 4,5 x 100, you
cannot change the multiplier... Only option is 4,5 x 112 = 504 mhz (Most
boards don't go higher as 112)... Besides... If you don't get 36 fps on a
450 you must have one ***vid card... I run a 450 aswell with a V3 3000 and
(in practise) run GPL at 1280x1024 with constant 36 fps... in race in
1024x768 and 36 fps 99% of the time...

-- Sjon

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Cooling! You will need much much MUCH cooling. For almost a year now
they have had an AMD processor that ran much faster than the Intel
versions. Why? They built a small refrigeration unit under the cpu
case and PIPED cold air onto the cpu. Whenever you start overclocking
cpu's or video cards or even memory, you need to realize the unit is
working harder and that causes more heat to be generated which in-turn
increases the stress on the chip's operating enviroment.
There are many places on the web which sell special fans and heatsinks
that can greatly lower your systems operating temperature. So here's
the advice. Poke around the web some more, learn a-bit more about the
overclocking idea. And find out where you can purchase cooling fans.
You probably can poke around your bios and turn up the chip speed
slightly without creating too much extra heat, but if you really want to
go for the big jumps in performance, you will need to help your system
stay alive.
Have fun...good luck
try
www.hardOCP.com or .net for an overclocking website.
dave henrie

> Hi gang

> Does anyone have experience in overclocking the processor
> heavily?

> I just read at Toms Hardware "www.tomshardware.com" that he
> overclocked a 566 Celeron to 950 MHZ!!!!!!

> I think that sounds nice.

> Can anyone come to my apartment and overclock my PII 450 to say
> 750MHZ? I will buy the pizza. I have no idea about what is
> happening around overclocking so Im quite reluctant to do it
> myself.

> BR

> Thomas

> GPL Enthusiast of Denmark

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by **Phillip Malphrus, Jr** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I have that setup as well but in a 43 car field in Nascar3 starting in the
rear at 800x600, it dips on mine to low 20's

> the 450 can hardly be overclocked... it's now running at 4,5 x 100, you
> cannot change the multiplier... Only option is 4,5 x 112 = 504 mhz (Most
> boards don't go higher as 112)... Besides... If you don't get 36 fps on a
> 450 you must have one ***vid card... I run a 450 aswell with a V3 3000
and
> (in practise) run GPL at 1280x1024 with constant 36 fps... in race in
> 1024x768 and 36 fps 99% of the time...

> -- Sjon

> > Hi gang

> > Does anyone have experience in overclocking the processor
> > heavily?

> > I just read at Toms Hardware "www.tomshardware.com" that he
> > overclocked a 566 Celeron to 950 MHZ!!!!!!

> > I think that sounds nice.

> > Can anyone come to my apartment and overclock my PII 450 to say
> > 750MHZ? I will buy the pizza. I have no idea about what is
> > happening around overclocking so Im quite reluctant to do it
> > myself.

> > BR

> > Thomas

> > GPL Enthusiast of Denmark

> > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.racesimcentral.net/ The Internet's Discussion
Network
> *
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by **Sjon Stigte** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

When he says 36 fps he offcourse refers to GPL... Who is playing nascar3
hehe...

> I have that setup as well but in a 43 car field in Nascar3 starting in the
> rear at 800x600, it dips on mine to low 20's

> > the 450 can hardly be overclocked... it's now running at 4,5 x 100, you
> > cannot change the multiplier... Only option is 4,5 x 112 = 504 mhz (Most
> > boards don't go higher as 112)... Besides... If you don't get 36 fps on
a
> > 450 you must have one ***vid card... I run a 450 aswell with a V3 3000
> and
> > (in practise) run GPL at 1280x1024 with constant 36 fps... in race in
> > 1024x768 and 36 fps 99% of the time...

> > -- Sjon

in

> > > Hi gang

> > > Does anyone have experience in overclocking the processor
> > > heavily?

> > > I just read at Toms Hardware "www.tomshardware.com" that he
> > > overclocked a 566 Celeron to 950 MHZ!!!!!!

> > > I think that sounds nice.

> > > Can anyone come to my apartment and overclock my PII 450 to say
> > > 750MHZ? I will buy the pizza. I have no idea about what is
> > > happening around overclocking so Im quite reluctant to do it
> > > myself.

> > > BR

> > > Thomas

> > > GPL Enthusiast of Denmark

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> Network
> > *
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Free!

by **Karl Zose** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I just tried the demo..

Its amasing some guys still like to race against such stupid AI.
Its really a shame they still didnt come up with acceptable AI..
.. driving around in ciircles can be such fun.

by **Victor Cha** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Tom was referring to a coppermine celeron. All coppermine CPUs are very overclockable
(50% overclocked). Running a PIII550E slot 1 at 803 MHz with Win2k. 825 with
Win98SE. Your PII450 is not a coppermine and not a PIII. The most may be just pass
500 MHz with your current cooling. A PIII450 can reach to 550 to 630. Need more
answers to your questions, try alt.comp.hardware.overclocking

by **Some Call Me Ti** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

My PIII 450 runs all day at 581 (4.5x129) on an ABit BX6 rev2. It will even
run at 600 but I get a minor glitch in direct 3d games such as viper racing
and TOCA 2 so I run at a mere 581. My good ol Voodoo 2s in SLI gave 36FPS
all the time even with 20 cars on the grid detail to max but now I've gone
GeForce DDR I have to run it in OpenGL and it goes down to 11 on the grid
and only up to 30 when sparse and hovers normal in the 20s. Unfortunately
although I've now cured the flickering mirrors it crashes on the Ring.

Still doesn't run F1 2000 fast enough though.

Some Call Me Tim

by **Brett C. Camma** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:14:51 +0100, "Some Call Me Tim"

>My PIII 450 runs all day at 581 (4.5x129) on an ABit BX6 rev2.

Tim,

Any conjecture as to achieving similar success with that board using
the SlotKey adapter and a Celeron 400e? That's the board I've been
considering.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

by **Tim Vanhe** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Same thread different question(s):
Why can I overclock my Celeron 500 only to 550? It locks up going a step
further.
I wouldn't even call a gain of 50mhz overclocking. (well, it would be on a
486...)
Is it just a matter of cooling? Or is it impossible to go higher on a
celeron?
Does it lock up just because it's overheating?

by **Martyn Danb** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Some cpu's will some won't.. even 2 celery 500's from the same batch.
U need abit of luck in this department.

If u check out all the overclocking sites on the net eg.
www.overclockers.com, u will find advice.

Md

> Same thread different question(s):
> Why can I overclock my Celeron 500 only to 550? It locks up going a step
> further.
> I wouldn't even call a gain of 50mhz overclocking. (well, it would be on a
> 486...)
> Is it just a matter of cooling? Or is it impossible to go higher on a
> celeron?
> Does it lock up just because it's overheating?

by **Some Call Me Ti** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

you need a lot of cooling a bit of luck.Get a really good heatsink some
thermal paste remove those blanks from your spare slots and add an extractor
fan. I more powerful power supply sometimes helps aswell.

you can never have enough fans

Some Call Me Tim

by **Kirk Lan** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Overclocking rules, but in your case it will be hard to do.

First, a quick intro to overclocking. The way a processor's speed is
determined is by taking the 'front side bus' or more simply 'bus' speed and
in most cases multiply it by a number to get the core speed of the
processor. I say in most cases because before the 486DX2 the CPU and bus
speeds were the same.

Your PII450 has what is called a 'locked multiplier' - it will not respond
correctly to a larger multiplier and in many cases will slow down instead.
The multiplier and bus speed for a 450 is 4.5 x 100MHz. So your only option
to increase the speed is to increase the bus speed. (some available speeds
are 103, 112, 124, 133, and even 140 MHz). However, increasing the bus will
strain other components (primarily RAM) and if you go to a non-standard bus
speed (you see all of the different buses - PCI, AGP, ISA - have their
speeds calculated by multipliers of the main bus as well. most motherboards
will not change these multipliers to adjust for a faster bus, so more of
your PC needs to be able to be overclocked, but if it works, it will all be
faster.) your other components may be stressed as well. 133 MHz bus is
somewhat common because most newer motherboards will adjust the other buses
to compensate, but many won't.

The other problem with overclocking a PII450 is the fact that it was the
fastest chip from that line that Intel released. The Celeron uses a
derivative of that core, and managed to get to 533 MHz. The problem is, the
'theoretical limit' - the absolute fastest the chip can go no matter how
cold you get it - is around 600MHz IIRC. Considering that only later chips
have been able to push that, your PII450 is likely maxed out, or very close.

Really, the whole premise of overclocking is basically setting the mobo for
a faster processor and seeing what happens. If you change a few jumpers
and/or BIOS settings and when you reboot it says Intel Pentium II 500 or
something to that extent you've gotten somewhere. This PC thinks it has a
Celeron 450 in it; the other one has a PII 466. It's sorta like the
Matrix - make the computer think that's what it is and it will act like it
too =)

--
Kirk Lane

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Tonight I'm leaving
Going MIA
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by **Kirk Lan** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I've said it in a previous post...but I just posted that 5 sec ago so you
wouldn't see it yet =)

I think the limit for the Celeron (older core - not the new PIII based
chips) is around 600MHz. Chances are your chip just won't go further - it's
not too hot, it just can't keep up. See if you can't try giving it another
.1 volts to the core - that can help, but it increases heat. My PII350 will
run at 466 MHz, but only if you give it 2.2v instead of the standard 2.0.
It will run at 2.1, but unstable...

--
Kirk Lane

ICQ: 28171652
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"Yeah you won't find me
I'm going MIA
Tonight I'm leaving
Going MIA
Getting lost in you again
Is better than being known"
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