rec.autos.simulators

by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:41:01

Fairly short and sweet:
640x480 resolution, PO is about 120% in a race with a full field. I tried
higher resolutions, because I couldn't see the track very well. At 800x600, PO
is about 250%. At 1024x768, it's over 300%! Playing with the graphics
options, I couldn't get it any faster than about 23 FPS on the test, and really
didn't see any difference on the screen(quality-wise) DURING the test. Is that
the limit? Yes, I've installed the patch.
System:Athlon 1.3G, 128ram, Voodoo5, win98se. What makes it worse, I'll have
an acceptable frame rate during qualifying, but when the race starts, it sucks.
And, you can't change the graphics options once you've started the event. How
brain-dead is THAT???
Still, I find it hard to believe that my system won't run this game any better
than this... :(
Help?

Eldred
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by **Alan Bernard** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:29:43

That's odd. Your system should run GP3 very well. I can run GP3 in
1280x1240? (the one above 1024x768) with all cars and with the detail slider
all the way to the maximum. No slowdown whatever. (P4, 1.3, GeForce 2 MX)
That voodoo might be slowing you down. I'd flush out my drivers, reinstall
them and the game again and hope for the best.

Alanb

by **rik anthra** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:40:04

P400 Voodoo3 2000 1024x768, 25 fps, 100% occupancy, full field.
You must have a problem, do you have the latest drivers for that V5beast?

> > Fairly short and sweet:
> > 640x480 resolution, PO is about 120% in a race with a full field. I
tried
> > higher resolutions, because I couldn't see the track very well. At
> 800x600, PO
> > is about 250%. At 1024x768, it's over 300%! Playing with the graphics
> > options, I couldn't get it any faster than about 23 FPS on the test, and
> really
> > didn't see any difference on the screen(quality-wise) DURING the test.
Is
> that
> > the limit? Yes, I've installed the patch.
> > System:Athlon 1.3G, 128ram, Voodoo5, win98se. What makes it worse, I'll
> have
> > an acceptable frame rate during qualifying, but when the race starts, it
> sucks.
> > And, you can't change the graphics options once you've started the
event.
> How
> > brain-dead is THAT???
> > Still, I find it hard to believe that my system won't run this game any
> better
> > than this... :(
> > Help?

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
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by **Simon Brow** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:29:52

Try sticking the V5 in 'single chip' mode instead of 'fastest performance'.
I know it sounds like a crazy thing to try, but GP3 and the V5 don't get on
too well.

by **Kendt Eklu** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:34:48

[snip]

As Simon sez - there's a bug with GP3 and the V5 in normal dual-chip
mode.
Try single chip, or better yet, use 2xFSAA.
AMD 1.4 T-bird, V5, 1024x768 2xFSAA and I get PO 50-60% most of the
time, and this is with the FPS patch to up the FPS to 31!

HTH,
Kendt

by **Rafe McAulif** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:06:25

Definitely some major prob, I get better frames with my V3 and 1ghz
athlon, running at 1024x768, 25 fps pretty solid.

Hopefully the other replies have nailed it for you. :)

Rafe Mc

by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:53:02

>P400 Voodoo3 2000 1024x768, 25 fps, 100% occupancy, full field.
>You must have a problem, do you have the latest drivers for that V5beast?

I actually don't KNOW what drivers I have. I know I had to download them from
3dfxfiles.com, because I couldn't find my install CD when I re-did windows...
So, they SHOULD be fairly recent, right? :-)

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:53:01

>Subject: Re: GP3 framerate

>Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 02:29:52 GMT

>Try sticking the V5 in 'single chip' mode instead of 'fastest performance'.
>I know it sounds like a crazy thing to try, but GP3 and the V5 don't get on
>too well.

I'll have to find that setting. Can you at least get me in the vicinity of the
correct screen?

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:53:02

>That's odd. Your system should run GP3 very well. I can run GP3 in
>1280x1240? (the one above 1024x768) with all cars and with the detail slider
>all the way to the maximum. No slowdown whatever. (P4, 1.3, GeForce 2 MX)
>That voodoo might be slowing you down. I'd flush out my drivers, reinstall
>them and the game again and hope for the best.

Ok - I'll try deleting and re-installing tonight. When I re-installed over the
weekend, I didn't delete everything first...

Eldred
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by **Simon Brow** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:56:20

Hehe, it's the anti-aliasing section in the V5 driver options :)

by **Simon Brow** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:59:10

So open up 3dfx tools and go to the anti-aliasing tab and put D3D on either
single-chip or 2x FSAA, and see if it speeds up. Just wanted to add that as
Kendt said 2x FSAA is just fast as single-chip, so you may as well use that.

by **Kulvinder Singh Mathar** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 02:37:28

Very strange.

My system is...

Chip = 1GHz Athlon Thunderbird
512MB RAM
Hercules 2D Prophet II GTS 32MB Graphics card
OS = WinME

The machine is nearly a year old so it isn't state-of-the-art
anymore!

I'm running in Hardware mode and at a resolution of 1024 x 768 with a
PO of about 60-80%, although some external views in the rain may
increase the PO to about 90-100%.

Standard and obvious question : Have you got the latest graphics
drivers?

During the GP3 graphics test, you should, indeed, see a difference in
the quality of the tests.

I don't know much about the Voodoo5 card...I've got an nVidia
chipset. You haven't got some kind of FSAA turned on? Turn it off!

That's all I can suggest at this stage. Good luck!

--
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by **Eldre** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:44:12

>Hehe, it's the anti-aliasing section in the V5 driver options :)

>> I'll have to find that setting. Can you at least get me in the vicinity
>of the
>> correct screen?

Oh, ok. You mentioned 'single-chip' mode, and I haven't checked those tabs for
that to ring a bell...<g>

Eldred
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by **Ken Bear** » Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:01:52

I haven't messed with it lately, but I definitely recall that it runs FASTER
on the V5 with anti-aliasing ON than OFF.

I've seen some alude to this in their posts but I don't think they've got it
quite right. Some games only run on the V5 putting it in "single-chip"
mode, but for those that don't have this problem "normal" (both chips, no
AA) is the fastest, followed by 2x and then 4x FSAA.

GP3 for some reason seems to actually use "single-chip" mode when you have
it set to "normal" - so it's only using half the power of the V5, hence the
horrid framerates. But when you set the Anti-aliasing to 2x, which is
normally of course 10-20% slower than "normal" - GP3 gets MUCH better FPS.
Just go to the 3dfx icon in the taskbar, right click, bring up "3dfx Hub" -
then "3dfx Anti Aliasing", and select "2 sample AA" for Direct3D.

It seems that turning on 2x FSAA forces it to use both chips, so even with
the bit of speed loss with FSAA it runs much better than just on the single
chip - and looks better to boot.

I recall getting 50% qualifying and sub-100% race PO ratings with most
everything on, 1024x768, on my old Athlon 700 / Voodoo5 - so it should
scream on the 1.3 Ghz.

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R.I.P Adam, Kenny, Tony, and Dale...

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:30:18

Here is the deal...this may not be gp3 specific because I never got it.
But the V5 shipped with a Bug in the drivers. So of the four settings,
the one listed as "fastest performance" wasn't. And the "single chip"
option outperformed it. You are correct about 2xfsaa being slower and 4x
even slower yet. But with the last few sets of drivers...I think from about
November 2000 on...the "fastest performance" option did go quicker than
"single chip".
dave henrie

> I haven't messed with it lately, but I definitely recall that it runs
FASTER
> on the V5 with anti-aliasing ON than OFF.

> I've seen some alude to this in their posts but I don't think they've got
it
> quite right. Some games only run on the V5 putting it in "single-chip"
> mode, but for those that don't have this problem "normal" (both chips, no
> AA) is the fastest, followed by 2x and then 4x FSAA.

> GP3 for some reason seems to actually use "single-chip" mode when you have
> it set to "normal" - so it's only using half the power of the V5, hence
the
> horrid framerates. But when you set the Anti-aliasing to 2x, which is
> normally of course 10-20% slower than "normal" - GP3 gets MUCH better FPS.
> Just go to the 3dfx icon in the taskbar, right click, bring up "3dfx
Hub" -
> then "3dfx Anti Aliasing", and select "2 sample AA" for Direct3D.

> It seems that turning on 2x FSAA forces it to use both chips, so even with
> the bit of speed loss with FSAA it runs much better than just on the
single
> chip - and looks better to boot.

> I recall getting 50% qualifying and sub-100% race PO ratings with most
> everything on, 1024x768, on my old Athlon 700 / Voodoo5 - so it should
> scream on the 1.3 Ghz.

> --

> Ken's Sig 3.2

> "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?"
> - Obi-Wan Kenobi

> volksy(at)yahoo(dot)com

> Go #43, #44, #45!

> R.I.P Adam, Kenny, Tony, and Dale...

> > Fairly short and sweet:
> > 640x480 resolution, PO is about 120% in a race with a full field. I
tried
> > higher resolutions, because I couldn't see the track very well. At
> 800x600, PO
> > is about 250%. At 1024x768, it's over 300%! Playing with the graphics
> > options, I couldn't get it any faster than about 23 FPS on the test, and
> really
> > didn't see any difference on the screen(quality-wise) DURING the test.
Is
> that
> > the limit? Yes, I've installed the patch.
> > System:Athlon 1.3G, 128ram, Voodoo5, win98se. What makes it worse, I'll
> have
> > an acceptable frame rate during qualifying, but when the race starts, it
> sucks.
> > And, you can't change the graphics options once you've started the
event.
> How
> > brain-dead is THAT???
> > Still, I find it hard to believe that my system won't run this game any
> better
> > than this...

> > Help?

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.