> Could that be THE race i am talking about???***
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Anssi Lehtinen
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Anssi Lehtinen
That's an issue that affects all open-wheel race cars.
First of all, the suspension arms should be made of metal rather than
carbon fibre - carbon is light and hard, but brittle. Metal can bend
and can adsorb some impact energy.
And second, they should connect the wheels with a wire to the chassis
(like in F1 now).
Plus, in case of a crash with broken suspension, there should be a
mechanism to pull the wheel quickly closer to the chassis, to prevent
bouncing. The wheel even can act as an extra deformation area
("Knautschzone" in German) when it's close to the chassis rather than
flying around somewhere in the air.
Similar mechanisms are already used in road cars, eg. to tighten the
seat belts.
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Matthias Flatt
>> Attaching the wheels to the vehicle dramtically increases risk to the
>>driver. It gives them a pivot about which to swing back at the driver's
>>head. IMO, the attached wheel idea increases the risk to the driver much
>>more than it decreases any likelyhood of fan injury. Spectators should
>>absolutely be at the top of the priority list where safety is concerned,
>>but the attached wheel idea is sort of pushing the drivers into the
>>"sacrificial lamb" area. They're people too.
>Not true. The connection is short enough to not let the wheel bounce
>back anywhere close to the driver.
>The problem is that it takes of course a bit of technological
>development and the will to change something - both things which are
>certainly not in the 'spirit' of the IRL...
Technological development and change are integral parts of the Indy
Racing League and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway -- especially in the
area of safety. The death of Scott Brayton led to many changes and
technological improvements, and Davy Jones' injuries led to further
technological advances, changes, and improvements. Apparently these
don't count, though. Define for me how other series are innovating in
the areas of technology and change, if you would? Or are you just
spouting anti-IRL rhetoric?
BTW, thanks for reducing this whole thing to "look how inferior the
IRL is, blah, blah, blah" level -- and for dragging me in. Thanks
also for reminding me why I've been avoiding this newsgroup like a
leper colony for the past year or so.
-- John Bodin
--Tel
>>> Attaching the wheels to the vehicle dramtically increases risk to the
>>>driver. It gives them a pivot about which to swing back at the driver's
>>>head. IMO, the attached wheel idea increases the risk to the driver much
>>>more than it decreases any likelyhood of fan injury.
>>Not true. The connection is short enough to not let the wheel bounce
>>back anywhere close to the driver.
>>The problem is that it takes of course a bit of technological
>>development and the will to change something - both things which are
>>certainly not in the 'spirit' of the IRL...
>That's an issue that affects all open-wheel race cars.
>First of all, the suspension arms should be made of metal rather than
>carbon fibre - carbon is light and hard, but brittle. Metal can bend
>and can adsorb some impact energy.
>And second, they should connect the wheels with a wire to the chassis
>(like in F1 now).
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>> FWIW, Humpy Wheeler has gone on record indicating that he really likes
>> the IRL formula, but he feels they should feature enclosed bodywork,
>> to allow for more "rubbin' and bumpin" -- and now that he's
>> experienced the tragedy at C***te first-hand, you can bet he's
>> going to be even more of an advocate for enclosed bodywork.
>Why not just use the wires or whatever that they now have in F1 to keep
>the wheels from separating from the chassis?
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| "Instead of letting the moon be the
Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let
Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our
> > FWIW, Humpy Wheeler has gone on record indicating that he really likes
> > the IRL formula, but he feels they should feature enclosed bodywork,
> > to allow for more "rubbin' and bumpin" -- and now that he's
> > experienced the tragedy at C***te first-hand, you can bet he's
> > going to be even more of an advocate for enclosed bodywork.
> Why not just use the wires or whatever that they now have in F1 to keep
> the wheels from separating from the chassis?
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> Anssi Lehtinen
Matt
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Ian Parker
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> Why not just use the wires or whatever that they now have in F1 to keep
> the wheels from separating from the chassis?
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> Anssi Lehtinen
Mighty
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> After last year's CART incident at Michigan, this could spell the end
> of open-wheel racing on high-speed ovals as we know it; at the very
> least, it's going to cause a ton of debate and create some drastic
> changes at tracks that host open-wheel races.
> FWIW, Humpy Wheeler has gone on record indicating that he really likes
> the IRL formula, but he feels they should feature enclosed bodywork,
> to allow for more "rubbin' and bumpin" -- and now that he's
> experienced the tragedy at C***te first-hand, you can bet he's
> going to be even more of an advocate for enclosed bodywork.
> -- John Bodin
> Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > I went to this race tonight. 3 spectators were killed and 12 were injured on
> >turn 4.
> >The race was red flagged and then canceled after 70 laps completed.
> >Sad ending to what was looking to be a good race. Its really weird because
> >there were many precautions taken by the track officials, and less than half of
> >the seats were filled. They left the turn two bleachers empty and part of turn 3
> >and 4.
> >After Michigan, and then this, there will probably be a real shake up.
> >> I noticed that Humpy Wheeler called the IRL Visioneer 500 after a crash in
> >> turns 3 and 4. I was watching (Speedvision) and they red-flagged it to
> >> clean up debris. Then I see Humpy saying this is a night that they
> >> "...won't soon forget..."
> >> I know spectators were involved but no word on what happened. I sure hope
> >> nobody was hurt to badly. The pace was set at 222 mph and, needless to say,
> >> that's cruisin'.
> >> They keep slowing down the Champ cars yet IRL is turning ungodly speeds at
> >> the ovals. I love it just like the next guy but I think after Michigan and
> >> whatEVER happened tonight we might see some changes.
>Ever consider that might be the race he was referring to? "Years ago", you
> catch that part?
>Good thing you told him off though.
> Zog
Unless geography has changed somewhat, or god forbid they begin teaching it
to you know nothing North Americans, Le Mans is not in, nor is anywhere near
Switerland.
They might speak french in some parts of Switzerland, but it is not france.
Also. please note, that Le Mans full circuit has not held a GP. Yes- the
Bugatti circuit has, but who's mentioning that .
Z.
>>> FWIW, Humpy Wheeler has gone on record indicating that he really likes
>>> the IRL formula, but he feels they should feature enclosed bodywork,
>>> to allow for more "rubbin' and bumpin" -- and now that he's
>>> experienced the tragedy at C***te first-hand, you can bet he's
>>> going to be even more of an advocate for enclosed bodywork.
>>Why not just use the wires or whatever that they now have in F1 to keep
>>the wheels from separating from the chassis?
Z.
80 spectators perished in that crash.
Z.
I noticed that at least once on Sunday. I think the chain connecting the
wheels should at least be done right. A wheel would be more dangerious
if it had the chain connecting it still attached than a tire without one.
At least we can give them some credit for trying something I guess. I
remember watching Spa last year and hoping that no one was around the
circuit where the suspension/wheel parts flew off.
Something substantial has to be done about suspension/wheeel parts flying
off open wheel cars though with six fatalities at two events in less than
a year. This idea may sould strange or you can just write me off as
crazy. But how about totally enclosing the track, or why not the
grandstands??? It would defently be expensive though, a life is
priceless though. The events at C***te ruined a great weekend of
racing, IMO. I feel for everyone involved. It is aweful how a sport I
enjoy so much can have such a bad side to it. I hope something
substantial is done to reduce the chances of this sort of thing happening
again in the future.
Later,
John
Where? The last time I remember any debris even going into the stands at a
NASCAR race was at the '97 Daytona 500 when Jarrett rolled Earnhardt over
the top of Irvan and took the hood off the 28, which flew into the stands,
injuring--but not killing--some spectators. Fans were killed at Michigan
last year during the CART race--not a NASCAR event.
Jerry Morelock
>>Technological development and change are integral parts of the Indy
>>Racing League and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway -- especially in the
>>area of safety. The death of Scott Brayton led to many changes and
>>technological improvements, and Davy Jones' injuries led to further
>>technological advances, changes, and improvements. Apparently these
>>don't count, though. Define for me how other series are innovating in
>>the areas of technology and change, if you would? Or are you just
>>spouting anti-IRL rhetoric?
>Well, IRL is certainly not something I care enough about to start an
>argument - but what technological *improvements* or even
>*advancements* have been introduced there lately? Anything that's
>differing from what is being used in the established (i.e.
>international) racing series? Just curious.
>--Tel
-- JB