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What happened at Charlotte tonight?

ShoalsParroth

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by ShoalsParroth » Sun, 02 May 1999 04:00:00

I noticed that Humpy Wheeler called the IRL Visioneer 500 after a crash in
turns 3 and 4.  I was watching (Speedvision) and they red-flagged it to
clean up debris.  Then I see Humpy saying this is a night that they
"...won't soon forget..."

I know spectators were involved but no word on what happened.  I sure hope
nobody was hurt to badly.  The pace was set at 222 mph and, needless to say,
that's cruisin'.

They keep slowing down the Champ cars yet IRL is turning ungodly speeds at
the ovals.  I love it just like the next guy but I think after Michigan and
whatEVER happened tonight we might see some changes.

Any word on what happened?

Parke Cochran
Talladega, AL

Rick Sweene

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Rick Sweene » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

 I went to this race tonight. 3 spectators were killed and 12 were injured on
turn 4.
The race was red flagged and then canceled after 70 laps completed.

Sad ending to what was looking to be a good race.  Its really weird because
there were many precautions taken by the track officials, and less than half of
the seats were filled. They left the turn two bleachers empty and part of turn 3
and 4.

After Michigan, and then this,  there will probably be a real shake up.


> I noticed that Humpy Wheeler called the IRL Visioneer 500 after a crash in
> turns 3 and 4.  I was watching (Speedvision) and they red-flagged it to
> clean up debris.  Then I see Humpy saying this is a night that they
> "...won't soon forget..."

> I know spectators were involved but no word on what happened.  I sure hope
> nobody was hurt to badly.  The pace was set at 222 mph and, needless to say,
> that's cruisin'.

> They keep slowing down the Champ cars yet IRL is turning ungodly speeds at
> the ovals.  I love it just like the next guy but I think after Michigan and
> whatEVER happened tonight we might see some changes.

> Any word on what happened?

> Parke Cochran
> Talladega, AL

Rick Sweene

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Rick Sweene » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

 I went to this race tonight. 3 spectators were killed and 12 were injured on
turn 4.
The race was red flagged and then canceled after 70 laps completed.

Sad ending to what was looking to be a good race.  Its really weird because
there were many precautions taken by the track officials, and less than half of
the seats were filled. They left the turn two bleachers empty and part of turn 3
and 4.

After Michigan, and then this,  there will probably be a real shake up.


> I noticed that Humpy Wheeler called the IRL Visioneer 500 after a crash in
> turns 3 and 4.  I was watching (Speedvision) and they red-flagged it to
> clean up debris.  Then I see Humpy saying this is a night that they
> "...won't soon forget..."

> I know spectators were involved but no word on what happened.  I sure hope
> nobody was hurt to badly.  The pace was set at 222 mph and, needless to say,
> that's cruisin'.

> They keep slowing down the Champ cars yet IRL is turning ungodly speeds at
> the ovals.  I love it just like the next guy but I think after Michigan and
> whatEVER happened tonight we might see some changes.

> Any word on what happened?

> Parke Cochran
> Talladega, AL

Daxe Rexfor

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Daxe Rexfor » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

Humpy Wheeler called the IRL Visioneer 500 after a crash in

http://espn.go.com/car/irl/news/1999/990501/01238711.html

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John Bod

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by John Bod » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

For the full story, check out The IRL Insider site:

        http://www.racesimcentral.net/

After last year's CART incident at Michigan, this could spell the end
of open-wheel racing on high-speed ovals as we know it; at the very
least, it's going to cause a ton of debate and create some drastic
changes at tracks that host open-wheel races.  

FWIW, Humpy Wheeler has gone on record indicating that he really likes
the IRL formula, but he feels they should feature enclosed bodywork,
to allow for more "rubbin' and bumpin" -- and now that he's
experienced the tragedy at C***te first-hand, you can bet he's
going to be even more of an advocate for enclosed bodywork.  

-- John Bodin
   Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
   http://www.racesimcentral.net/



> I went to this race tonight. 3 spectators were killed and 12 were injured on
>turn 4.
>The race was red flagged and then canceled after 70 laps completed.

>Sad ending to what was looking to be a good race.  Its really weird because
>there were many precautions taken by the track officials, and less than half of
>the seats were filled. They left the turn two bleachers empty and part of turn 3
>and 4.

>After Michigan, and then this,  there will probably be a real shake up.


>> I noticed that Humpy Wheeler called the IRL Visioneer 500 after a crash in
>> turns 3 and 4.  I was watching (Speedvision) and they red-flagged it to
>> clean up debris.  Then I see Humpy saying this is a night that they
>> "...won't soon forget..."

>> I know spectators were involved but no word on what happened.  I sure hope
>> nobody was hurt to badly.  The pace was set at 222 mph and, needless to say,
>> that's cruisin'.

>> They keep slowing down the Champ cars yet IRL is turning ungodly speeds at
>> the ovals.  I love it just like the next guy but I think after Michigan and
>> whatEVER happened tonight we might see some changes.

>> Any word on what happened?

>> Parke Cochran
>> Talladega, AL

Tim Wheatle

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Tim Wheatle » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

There will be a lot of debate and scaremongering, nothing will happen, I saw
the accident, it can either not hit spectators, or it can, i sound like a
heartless b*stard, but they can't get it safer than it is without placing
the stands 100m or so away, and NO fan wants to have to use some binoculars
just so they can see the racetrack.

Three people died, a tradgedy. But it was a freak occurance, can anyone tell
me the last time (apart from Michigan) that this happened?
YEARS ago i suspect?? It happens, we all know it does, but I for one would
rather see the track.

--
Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley
________________________________________________

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________________________________________________

Michael Marti

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Michael Marti » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00


>I noticed that Humpy Wheeler called the IRL Visioneer 500 after a crash in
>turns 3 and 4.  I was watching (Speedvision) and they red-flagged it to
>clean up debris.  Then I see Humpy saying this is a night that they
>"...won't soon forget..."

>I know spectators were involved but no word on what happened.  I sure hope
>nobody was hurt to badly.  The pace was set at 222 mph and, needless to
say,
>that's cruisin'.

>They keep slowing down the Champ cars yet IRL is turning ungodly speeds at
>the ovals.  I love it just like the next guy but I think after Michigan and
>whatEVER happened tonight we might see some changes.

>Any word on what happened?

>Parke Cochran
>Talladega, AL

Three spectaters were killed by flying debris.
Jay

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Jay » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

""After last year's CART incident at Michigan, this could spell the end
of open-wheel racing on high-speed ovals as we know it;""

John from a fellow IRL Crew member, I sure as hell hope your wrong!

Our Prayers and Thoughts go out to the fans who perished doing what they
enjoyed... Watching auto racing....

On a side note, will they award a race winner? If so would it be in the
order that they were running when the accident occurred?

Tim Wheatle

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Tim Wheatle » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

I remember years ago in an F1 race (sorry I can't think of another example)
spectators were killed, the race was classed as void, no result was ever
posted, in history books the race never existed.
The race was at Switzerland, no-idea what year.

--
Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley
________________________________________________

                                  Tim Wheatley
                "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
                           http://start.at/igps_stats
     IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver
                      http://drive.to/grandprixlegends

                  http://website.lineone.net/~nascar
________________________________________________

Jerry Moreloc

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Jerry Moreloc » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

IMO, the only way open wheelers can continue to race on enclosed oval tracks
is to make them non-oval, i.e., put a chicane in the straights somewhere.
Combine 200mph+ speeds with cars that are designed to shed parts during a
crash and the tragedies at Michigan and C***te are bound to happen.
Thoughts and prayers for all concerned, victims and their families, and the
drivers in the fatal accident as well.

Jerry Morelock


> There will be a lot of debate and scaremongering, nothing will happen, I
saw
> the accident, it can either not hit spectators, or it can, i sound like a
> heartless b*stard, but they can't get it safer than it is without placing
> the stands 100m or so away, and NO fan wants to have to use some
binoculars
> just so they can see the racetrack.

> Three people died, a tradgedy. But it was a freak occurance, can anyone
tell
> me the last time (apart from Michigan) that this happened?
> YEARS ago i suspect?? It happens, we all know it does, but I for one would
> rather see the track.

> --
> Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley
> ________________________________________________

>                                   Tim Wheatley
>                 "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
>                            http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>      IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver
>                       http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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> ________________________________________________

Ken Bear

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Ken Bear » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

I'm 99.9% sure that's what they'll do here.  Apparently Leo Mehl and Humpy
Wheeler came to the decision that with the Indy 500 later this month, and 2+
weeks of NASCAR at C***te at the end of this month that it couldn't be
rescheduled, and it didn't seem like there was any thought to doing it later
in the year.  With the race not being at the midpoint, it would seem that it
will not exist as far as the points are concerned.

--
Ken's Sig 2.01

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government.
 Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from
some farcical aquatic ceremony."

Go #43 and #44!

volksy (at) geocities (dot) com
volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com


>> On a side note, will they award a race winner? If so would it be in the
>> order that they were running when the accident occurred?

>I remember years ago in an F1 race (sorry I can't think of another example)
>spectators were killed, the race was classed as void, no result was ever
>posted, in history books the race never existed.
>The race was at Switzerland, no-idea what year.

>--
>Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley
>________________________________________________

>                                  Tim Wheatley
>                "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
>                           http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>     IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver
>                      http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>                  http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nascar
>________________________________________________

John Bod

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by John Bod » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00



I do too, but I'm sure that SOMETHING is going to have to be done.
This kind of thing just begs for government intervention if the
parties involved don't take action.  Plus, this is C***te's first
fan fatality since opening in 1960, so they're going to want to do
something to make the fans feel that they're DOING something to
prevent this from happening again.  This is also the third year of
C***te's three-year contract with the IRL -- let's hope they decide
that doing something will make it worth bringing the IRL back in the
future.

Don't know -- I haven't heard anything yet.  I'll keep you posted!

-- JB

ddjhenri

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by ddjhenri » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

  I can't remember if anyone died, but In a CART race at Phoenix several
years
ago...Micheal Andrettie sheared off a front wheel after clipping another car
on the
back straight.  the tire bounced down the back straight and zoomed extremely
high
until it went up onto the spectator hill at the end of the backstraight.  I
know some folks
were hurt but I can't remember if there were any deaths.  No fence in
existence could have
been high enough to catch the bounce.
dave henrie

>Three people died, a tradgedy. But it was a freak occurance, can anyone
tell
>me the last time (apart from Michigan) that this happened?
>YEARS ago i suspect?? It happens, we all know it does, but I for one would
>rather see the track.

>--
>Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley
>________________________________________________

>                                  Tim Wheatley
>                "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
>                           http://start.at/igps_stats
>     IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver
>                      http://drive.to/grandprixlegends

>                  http://website.lineone.net/~nascar
>________________________________________________

Ken Bear

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Ken Bear » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00

Also, at a CART road-course race last year or the year before (Mid-Ohio?) I
remember a car getting airborne and basically hopping completely over the
Armco, skidding toward a large group of fans with only a wooden storm fence
between them, luckily the car stopped soon after landing, short of the fans,
but I thought there were 50 damn lucky people right there.

--
Ken's Sig 2.01

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government.
 Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from
some farcical aquatic ceremony."

Go #43 and #44!

volksy (at) geocities (dot) com
volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com


>  I can't remember if anyone died, but In a CART race at Phoenix several
>years
>ago...Micheal Andrettie sheared off a front wheel after clipping another
car
>on the
>back straight.  the tire bounced down the back straight and zoomed
extremely
>high
>until it went up onto the spectator hill at the end of the backstraight.  I
>know some folks
>were hurt but I can't remember if there were any deaths.  No fence in
>existence could have
>been high enough to catch the bounce.
>dave henrie

>>Three people died, a tradgedy. But it was a freak occurance, can anyone
>tell
>>me the last time (apart from Michigan) that this happened?
>>YEARS ago i suspect?? It happens, we all know it does, but I for one would
>>rather see the track.

>>--
>>Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley
>>________________________________________________

>>                                  Tim Wheatley
>>                "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror"
>>                           http://start.at/igps_stats
>>     IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver
>>                      http://drive.to/grandprixlegends

>>                  http://website.lineone.net/~nascar
>>________________________________________________

Zonk

What happened at Charlotte tonight?

by Zonk » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00


>> On a side note, will they award a race winner? If so would it be in the
>> order that they were running when the accident occurred?

>I remember years ago in an F1 race (sorry I can't think of another example)
>spectators were killed, the race was classed as void, no result was ever
>posted, in history books the race never existed.
>The race was at Switzerland, no-idea what year.

Since motor Racing is banned in Switzerland, ever since the horrific 1955 Le
Mans crash, that would be some feet of coverup.

On a sort of related note, around 80+ spectators were killed in that Le Mans
incident.

Try sticking to "facts" you don't pull out of your ass.

Z.


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