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> >I remember years ago in an F1 race (sorry I can't think of another
example)
> >spectators were killed, the race was classed as void, no result was ever
> >posted, in history books the race never existed.
> >The race was at Switzerland, no-idea what year.
> Since motor Racing is banned in Switzerland, ever since the horrific 1955
Le
> Mans crash, that would be some feet of coverup.
> On a sort of related note, around 80+ spectators were killed in that Le
Mans
> incident.
> Try sticking to "facts" you don't pull out of your ass.
> Z.
Indy, 1987. Wheel comes off a car and hits a guy in the highest row, killing
him.
Calvin
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So, AOL has a service in Estonia?
No, I'm pretty sure that the number of fatalities at LeMans in
1955 was 80 (I'm not sure whether or not this includes Mercedes driver
Pierre Levegh). I don't recall the number 99, but it may be the number
of persons injured.
I sincerely hope it remains the worst motor racing accident of
all time.
Martin
Nigel Mansell RIP!
Ever consider that might be the race he was referring to? "Years ago", you catch that part?
Good thing you told him off though.
Zog
> >I remember years ago in an F1 race (sorry I can't think of another example)
> >spectators were killed, the race was classed as void, no result was ever
> >posted, in history books the race never existed.
> >The race was at Switzerland, no-idea what year.
> Since motor Racing is banned in Switzerland, ever since the horrific 1955 Le
> Mans crash, that would be some feet of coverup.
> On a sort of related note, around 80+ spectators were killed in that Le Mans
> incident.
> Try sticking to "facts" you don't pull out of your ass.
> Z.
>>I do too, but I'm sure that SOMETHING is going to have to be done.
>F1 has a new regulation requiring that wheels and suspension
>components be secured by a strong strap to the chassis. That was
>mentioned in a story about the tragedy on ESPN, but unnamed IRL
>officials said that it could "create more problems than it solves." I
>disagree. The first priority is to do everything possible to protect
>spectators. Drivers know that they are putting their lives on the
>line to race, but spectators should not.
It had to be before '55 because they banned auto racing in that
country after the LeMans wreck where Pierre Leveigh's car went into
the stands...
Attaching the wheels to the vehicle dramtically increases risk to the
driver. It gives them a pivot about which to swing back at the driver's
head. IMO, the attached wheel idea increases the risk to the driver much
more than it decreases any likelyhood of fan injury. Spectators should
absolutely be at the top of the priority list where safety is concerned,
but the attached wheel idea is sort of pushing the drivers into the
"sacrificial lamb" area. They're people too.
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Now on to my point....
All i can really say is it was a freak accident. I didnt see it (though im
sure i eventually will on some news broadcast) but if im pictuing this right it
was just a freak thing. A tire flying over a fence thats 15(??) feet high from
a car thats against the wall is a VERY freak thing. Not to mention that the
fence does have a lip that protrudes over the track some. In my (non expert)
opinion this is almost impossible. Granted it does happen but the incidents
are few and far between. The fact that this and Michigan occoured less than a
year apart is simply a coincidance. It was mentioned before that Indy 87 was
the last memorable incident similar. Thats 11 years before Michigan last year
and before Indy 87 when was the last one....i dont think anyone remembers. Its
impossible to say this cant happen again even if every available measure of
saftey is taken. Freak accidents occur and we must live with it.
I know there was discussion about this and there WAS a Swiss GP in 75 and one
in 82 but they were held in France at Dijon. Perhaps this is the mysterious
Swiss GP where spectators were killed????
Chris
In the race, leader Rolf Stommelen's car (Embassy Hill?) jumped over
the armco, killing AFAIR 14 spectators, injuring him badly.
The race was stopped, and with too few laps being completed, it's
quite possible that it was called a "no race", no points were given,
and the race never showed up in the record books.
Similar to the Nuerburgring, this incident made clear that F1 would
never race again there, and a new, modern and safe(r) track had to be
build: Circuit de Catalunya, outside of the city.
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Not true. The connection is short enough to not let the wheel bounce
back anywhere close to the driver.
The problem is that it takes of course a bit of technological
development and the will to change something - both things which are
certainly not in the 'spirit' of the IRL...
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Certainly that wasn't what he was referring to. The 1955 LeMans race
was neither a F1 GP nor was it declared void nor is it located in
Switzerland.... not to mention that 24 hours race is very well
documented in all history books
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