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RASCAR:Bristol

Bill Bollinge

RASCAR:Bristol

by Bill Bollinge » Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:44:59

TBase never made it to the finals in the NROS.  I WAS in the finals and at
no time did I hear about anything you describe.


> Don't worry about this guys comments Pete. I now remember this Tim White
as
> TBase in the NROS competition on TEN a few years ago. He made it to the
> finals but got kicked out for intentionally wrecking, pretty-much
> undermining any attempt to legitimize online racing at that point in time.
> Looks like he crawled out of the woodwork once again to wreak havoc on the
> online racing community.




> > > Not to be a stickler about you and your pots Pete, but I'm using a 5
yo
> > ECCI, with the original pots, and I've not seen any changes
> > > from sim to sim, other than the physics model.

> >     You know it amazes me that you selectively read what I post. There
is
> a
> > timing issue in ALL Papyrus versions. I have
> > half a dozen wheels including an ECCI and I see a difference between all
> the
> > wheels. I will only tell you once more we
> > went through this in BETA testing for the original Nascar game. I can't
> help
> > it if my dealing directly with Papyrus coders
> > at the time is not reliable enough for you.
> >     The fact you haven't seen any changes is because there haven't been
> any,
> > the timimg issue has been there all along.
> > Now if I recall and I could be wrong you run windows 98 I have been
> running
> > XP since it came out. Perhaps you should
> > talk with the ECCI and TSW people(I have) and there is an issue with XP
> and
> > certain pots. But then again I suppose you
> > know more than they do.
> >     I will also take some solice in the fact many people have emailed me
> to
> > tell me they have seen a big improvement in
> > the way the game drives by changing pots. That fact alone makes it
> > worthwhile. Just because you take exception I could
> > care less.

> > > I checked the replay for Saturdays race ...

> > >     John is right, you passed the pace car, right before you were
> actually
> > on pit row, a clear violation since you are not, at that
> > > point, limited to pit row speed, and you could've re entered the
track.
> > >     You only did 4 15.8s the whole race and the fastest was an .845.
> All
> > of them were right after putting on fresh tires.
> > >     Your only did one before lap 175 and that was on L. 128.  Every
stop
> > you made after your one around lap 85 did not fill up the
> > > tank; remembering a full tank is 186 laps so after that stop around
L85
> > you were never again running with a full tank.  To make
> > > sure, I tested that setup w/18 gallons and feash tires, and ran 3-4
> 15.8s
> > and a few 9s and went right into the 16s, just like you
> > > did.
> > >     The 3 mid 8's you did with about 25 to go, on fresh tires, were
> > followed by about 4-5 high 9s, then you went right into the 16s,
> > > like the rest of us.

> >     The point I was trying to make was not how fast I could go but the
> fact
> > that when the race started I could hardly do 116's
> > without bouncing off the walls. In other words it was overly tight from
> what
> > it had been any other time I had used it. Many 100's
> > if not a thousand laps in practice both online and off. I'm sorry you
> think
> > that I'm a liar and can't tell the difference.
> >     You know I could careless if I'm the fastest out there unlike you.
Why
> > don't you tell everyone about how you hacked
> > the Fast Lap program years ago so you could be the fastest. Unless that
> was
> > a different Tim White.

> > >     I'll agree there are bugs in the game but I seriously doubt
loading
> > 'faster' setups in a fixed setup race is one of them.

> >     You are an expert on bugs in the game now! Wow I'm impressed.

> > >     To be honest Pete, you can call me delusional all you like, but
this
> > is by far the best sim, the best version, we've ever had.
> > > I have taken my share of pot shots (no pun intended) at Papyrus but
> quite
> > frankly, I think it is an awesome sim, with more features
> > > than we've ever had.  If you think back to what N1 really was, and
what
> we
> > have now, how could anyone be anything but satisfied?

> >     There you go with your poor reading comprehension again. When have I
> > stated that this game wasn't the best we have ever had.

> > >     At some point you either accept and enjoy what's out there, or
start
> > sounding like Michael Moorer; sooner or later, no one will
> > > pay any attention to what you say :)

> >     I am enjoying it other wise I wouldn't be playing it. As far as
> sounding
> > like Michael Moorer I'd rather be classified as an Ass
> > rather than the hacker you used to be. I tried to pass along things that
I
> > have learned and if you find that offensive too bad.

> >     Pete

Tim

RASCAR:Bristol

by Tim » Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:30:41

He/she/it is talking about intermediate division Bill
:)

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


> TBase never made it to the finals in the NROS.  I WAS in the finals and at
> no time did I hear about anything you describe.

Larr

RASCAR:Bristol

by Larr » Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:49:25

Yeah, but in real life Nascar ALLOWS the team to eat up their engine if they
want :)

Larry




> > Since when does a header take a car out of a race?

> > Papy needs to tone down this random damage a bit.  No, make that a lot.
> > Even better, give the host an option to disable it all together.

> > We have enough trouble keeping the fenders on without the game randomly
> > deciding who to phuck over.

> A broken header reduces backpressure, causing the engine to run lean,
> thus burning a valve or a piston.  You could also blow a head gasket
> on that side of the motor (though I've only seen that happen once or
> twice because of a broken header).

Larr

RASCAR:Bristol

by Larr » Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:53:03

You did :)  I saw it from behind.

That's what I meant when I said you had no idea how lucky you were to still
win the race :)

But I guess you did!

I just looked at the standings, knew it wasn't going to change anyway, and
decided it wasn't worth dancing with a bug-light :)

Larry


the pass I think my car went right thru his lol
nerveracking to say the least.  The only chance I had was to count
on.

Larr

RASCAR:Bristol

by Larr » Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:57:46

Pete,

I think I had a 'set of tars' that fit your description.  They sucked.  The
next set were fine.

Tim - The worse thing we ever did during that race was PIT!  We were walking
away with it until we did that and got in the back of the pack.  It was a
disaster from there.

Larry


Tim

RASCAR:Bristol

by Tim » Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:34:19

Your right, but it sure made it interesting huh :)

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


> Tim - The worse thing we ever did during that race was PIT!  We were walking
> away with it until we did that and got in the back of the pack.  It was a
> disaster from there.

Larr

RASCAR:Bristol

by Larr » Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:43:15

Jan,

I agree 100%.

Larry


Larr

RASCAR:Bristol

by Larr » Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:48:22

:)

-Larry


> Your right, but it sure made it interesting huh :)

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com




Larr

RASCAR:Bristol

by Larr » Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:18:06

Guys, we have it easy.

At least we don't have to live with the "*** to pass left before the
line" rule.

Witness today's Busch race.

That was a raw deal if I've ever seen one.

Larry


> Jan,

> I agree 100%.

> Larry



> > "Tim" wrote...
> > > <snip>
> > > As for your BF, or one of them, if you pass the Pace
> > > Car, and your on pit row, it doesn't matter if your
> > > going 10 mph, you'll get a flag for passing him, when
> > > your on pit road.

> > What kind of bogus rule is that? How can one not pass the pace car on
pit
> > road? -One's doing the same speed on a smaller radius. Is this a
bonafide
> > NASCAR rule or just some BS the game throws at you?

> > That's what happened to me too then. I was 3rd behind the pacecar when I
> > ducked onto pit road and passed it in 3 - 4. My pit stall was up beyond
> s/f
> > so I didn't get passed back as I was stationary receiving service.

> > That's a bug, it can't be that qualifying in the top 10 or so incurs the
> > penalty of slower stops because you have to wait for the pace car to
cross
> > s/f before driving into your stall.

> > > <snip>

> > Jan.
> > =---


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