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> Where can I get the "feash tires" patch. If that's why you're always
> so much faster than me, I want to use it too.
> :)
Pete
online racers will never see the difference.
another mountain out of a mole hill. I never said you said you
describe your practice times as "I wasn't really pushing it ...
other number of lame excuses for your performance or lack
majority of the racers on RASCAR do not care about that
fun. Since you never seem to have anything good to say about
league would have it? Perhaps not.
did not indicate anything other than hotlapping, and
it was obviously a mistake to try to explain a possible,
pontificating how every little quirk in the sim is either a
still the best sim out there and, up to now, I am overall
program in a phone conversation in 1997, after he was
program, to explain to him that he hadn't actually
thanked me by the way. He called me, and wanted new
accomplished. I believe the ideals of it are still one of the
mention all the facts, your opinions there are as biased
when you mislead people like you do with your bug hunts,
mine, were is up to him. You thinking that information
don't recall you helping anyone with how to actually drive
offering personal setups free to the public.
of getting better is by making everyone else around them
of for it. The examples these guys set for one another do
continue to race, since your excuses become self evident over
unless you find Wilshes diskettes sitting on my desk.
lol, your either being really gullible, or just plain desperate, but Don just maybe making you feel pretty embarrassed right about
now.
Ask him what I actually did to the Fastlap program. If he remembers, nothing.
What I did was start it with a dos batch file that captured the system clock, and reset it to what his program would expect on exit,
to stay within the time limit set for a single qualifying attempt. All that did was allow me to run as many qualifying attempts as
I wanted without having to exit and restart the game and Fastlap. The lap times, and the setups were legit. Ask Don if he copied
anything else different from my computer.
Was that unfair? Yep. Everyone else had to exit the game, the Fastlap program, and wait to restart, another few minutes later. Was
it cheating? That's anyone's call since I did no memory or file alterations. Want to know where my inspiration came from? At a
friends house and watching him run the game on two different computers. Run one qual attempt while the other PC was reloading the
game lol.
Sue me for being impatient :) What I had told Don was if he was going to run Fastlap for N2, to write the system date/time on start
to an encrypted file the way he was encrypting everything else on exit. This and only this 'hack', could be avoided. If there was
anything else out there, anything more serious like a diskette lying around somewhere :), then nothing would help. His response was
TEN pretty much assured no real interest in an offline qualifying competition, but he'd think about it.
And since you think you have such a great handle on setups that the average guy can drive and not be embarrassed, sharing yours now?
Oh, and as if you would care to ackowledge, with all the early cautions you were still running 16.1s;
Except for the times you put it on the apron, with the occasional 17.+ sec lap, you were still faster than me;
At the start of the race;
When the papy gremlins jumped over the bushes and let you think you knew what you were doing.
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> Pete
> > Pots, don't make or break a sim, for christsakes, let it go. 99% of the
> online racers will never see the difference.
> > But as your reputation proceeds you, you seem to be intent on making
> another mountain out of a mole hill. I never said you said you
> > were the fastest; we all know you, and I, are not. Even though you
> describe your practice times as "I wasn't really pushing it ...
> > bla bla bla"
> > Every damn time someone like you cries 'cheater', and 'bugs', and any
> other number of lame excuses for your performance or lack
> > thereof, is just plain stupid. I for one, am tired of it Pete. The vast
> majority of the racers on RASCAR do not care about that
> > crap; unless I am misreading this ng, they just want to race, and have
> fun. Since you never seem to have anything good to say about
> > someone else's work, your opinions continue to come across as jaded.
> > I suspect the only reason we hear about your theories here, is no other
> league would have it? Perhaps not.
> > But you are in fact failing to recognize that the lap times you did simply
> did not indicate anything other than hotlapping, and
> > fuel. Period. In my silly attempt to try to help you figure things out,
> it was obviously a mistake to try to explain a possible,
> > valid reason.
> > I am sorry we disagree on how great a sim, or not, N2003 is, but you
> pontificating how every little quirk in the sim is either a
> > bug, or a cheat, is utter useless to this group. No one cares, it is
> still the best sim out there and, up to now, I am overall
> > extremely pleased with what we have to race with.
> > Now, as for you pacifying yourself by labeling me a cheater ...
> > For the record, I told (only) Don about hacking his attempt at the Fastlap
> program in a phone conversation in 1997, after he was
> > banned from the NROS for privately downloading everyones' setups with that
> program, to explain to him that he hadn't actually
> > achieved what he thought he had with his software protection, of which he
> thanked me by the way. He called me, and wanted new
> > teammates, and I thanked him for the idea of what Fastlap could've
> accomplished. I believe the ideals of it are still one of the
> > great innovations of online racing.
> > I will assume that since you either ignored that, or Don simply forgot to
> mention all the facts, your opinions there are as biased
> > as everything else you seem to have to offer.
> > You are free to say whatever you like on a ng without a moderator, but
> when you mislead people like you do with your bug hunts,
> > don't get your panties in such a wad when someone finds fault in your
> facts.
> > That Don chooses to tell anyone who will listen, what his intentions, or
> mine, were is up to him. You thinking that information
> > will somehow tarnish what I've tried to do online is a waste of time. I
> don't recall you helping anyone with how to actually drive
> > faster, longer, manipulate what holes the game may legally allow, or
> offering personal setups free to the public.
> > On the contrary, your the worst kind of online racer; one whose only way
> of getting better is by making everyone else around them
> > look worse. If you never race another RASCAR event again, we'd be better
> of for it. The examples these guys set for one another do
> > more good then any harm you can really do. I honestly hope you do
> continue to race, since your excuses become self evident over
> > time.
> > Regardless, don't ever call me a cheater again, you sick miserable ***,
> unless you find Wilshes diskettes sitting on my desk.
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> > www.intracmotorsports.com
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just maybe making you feel pretty embarrassed right about
nothing.
Actually, I heard it a long time ago from someone other than Don. Don
hasn't told me anything about the
details.
I may be gullible but if find it ironic that you are arguing about the
pots, never having even tried it. So how
would you even know? Other than trying to be a know-it-all.
clock, and reset it to what his program would expect on exit,
that did was allow me to run as many qualifying attempts as
times, and the setups were legit. Ask Don if he copied
program, and wait to restart, another few minutes later. Was
alterations. Want to know where my inspiration came from? At a
Run one qual attempt while the other PC was reloading the
run Fastlap for N2, to write the system date/time on start
This and only this 'hack', could be avoided. If there was
around somewhere :), then nothing would help. His response was
competition, but he'd think about it.
For someone not cheating it seems you are overly defensive. Touch a raw
nerve?
average guy can drive and not be embarrassed, sharing yours now?
If your setups are so great why would I need to? Someone who is such a
master of the game as you would only
find it demeaning. If someone needs help all they have to do is ask. Besides
my posting setups would obviously be
misconstrued on your part as me wanting to bring attention to myself.
you were still running 16.1s;
lap, you were still faster than me;
If I was faster than you at the start why did you get out on me by
several seconds? But then again how many
people did you hit during race? I started driving agressively to make up the
lost laps but still didn't hit anyone what
was your excuse?
what you were doing.
Yes, I admit I was caught unawares of the idiosyncrasies of the game and
its difficult to judge your pit
entrance in relation to a pace car you can't see.
Its too bad that the race had to be decided on questionable faults in
the game. I would rather the race be
decided on the track as opposed BF's. I thought you made a very gracious
gesture in letting me back on the
lead lap after the BF's and said so. I also thought you ran a good race and
congratulated you. But now I see
that its obvious that you fear competition and your attacks and suggestion I
leave the league seem to guided
by this fear.
Pete
Maybe you like it when someone slams you about something as sensitive as cheating, but then again, since your not that fast (your
own words) who could possibly label you a cheater right? I could call you and your pots ugly names from your front lawn after
midnight, but if I say chasing potentiometers is a waste of time, I've really gone overboard huh lol.
It wasn't cheating, it was being impatient; remember that :)
But let me make sure I have this right ... beta tester for N1, and having the ability to make such great setups 7 years later ...
and you couldn't figure out the F2 screen?
Now Pete, don't get me wrong, I can see how those thousands of laps testing (your words) could have easily clouded someone's ability
to use the actual game features to avoid a BF, and not be forced to resorting to calling out for a bug.
But wouldn't claiming you have good setups, while trashing others who offer theirs, and then refusing to share yours, and THEN
saying your above all the pettiness of sharing setups ... wouldn't that pretty much sum up your real interests in helping others?
Tell you what, send your best setups to everyone but me, privately. And insist they never reveal such kindness on your part. That
will make me, and everyone who really just wants your setups :) a happy camper ... or maybe we can blame it on the pots lol
Seriously, you found something about pots that makes a difference for Some, not all, some. Great. I'm happy for you.
But dayem, if you couldn't figure out the F2 screen, I'm not sure I trust your pottyonics afterall.
The race wasn't decided on BFs, we all got them. Wake up. Hell, Mike Grandy got whacked under the first caution and we never had
to deal with him. Grandy's the king of Bristol. Wasn't a bogus BF for him. I'd take bogus BFs over warping any day.
So, if you insist on picking on one thing I said; that being what little importance I put on pots, or your opinion of them making a
lousy racer one of the best and refusing to accept any of the original suggestions I offered about your lap times, who said I didn't
test pots?
I said I am running with the same equipment I always run. That means I know nothing about potentiometers? Maybe not, but I sure as
hell know where the pace car is.
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I don't know if this is pertinent to your situation, but it came up in a
league race at Bristol also.
A driver received a BF for speeding in the pits. His spotter told him he had
to DRIVE down pit road. He did three Green flag Stop and Go's and was
eventually DQed for not clearing the black flag. Subsequent investigations
(ie reading the manual/text files) alerted him to the fact that if you
receive a "Drive down pit road" black flag, then you MUST only DRIVE DOWN
PIT ROAD, no stopping in your pit box or the BF will not be cleared.
Pete
cheating, but then again, since your not that fast (your
and your pots ugly names from your front lawn after
really gone overboard huh lol.
the ability to make such great setups 7 years later ...
testing (your words) could have easily clouded someone's ability
resorting to calling out for a bug.
offer theirs, and then refusing to share yours, and THEN
pretty much sum up your real interests in helping others?
insist they never reveal such kindness on your part. That
camper ... or maybe we can blame it on the pots lol
Some, not all, some. Great. I'm happy for you.
your pottyonics afterall.
Grandy got whacked under the first caution and we never had
him. I'd take bogus BFs over warping any day.
importance I put on pots, or your opinion of them making a
suggestions I offered about your lap times, who said I didn't
know nothing about potentiometers? Maybe not, but I sure as
> > Not to be a stickler about you and your pots Pete, but I'm using a 5 yo
> ECCI, with the original pots, and I've not seen any changes
> > from sim to sim, other than the physics model.
> You know it amazes me that you selectively read what I post. There is
a
> timing issue in ALL Papyrus versions. I have
> half a dozen wheels including an ECCI and I see a difference between all
the
> wheels. I will only tell you once more we
> went through this in BETA testing for the original Nascar game. I can't
help
> it if my dealing directly with Papyrus coders
> at the time is not reliable enough for you.
> The fact you haven't seen any changes is because there haven't been
any,
> the timimg issue has been there all along.
> Now if I recall and I could be wrong you run windows 98 I have been
running
> XP since it came out. Perhaps you should
> talk with the ECCI and TSW people(I have) and there is an issue with XP
and
> certain pots. But then again I suppose you
> know more than they do.
> I will also take some solice in the fact many people have emailed me
to
> tell me they have seen a big improvement in
> the way the game drives by changing pots. That fact alone makes it
> worthwhile. Just because you take exception I could
> care less.
> > I checked the replay for Saturdays race ...
> > John is right, you passed the pace car, right before you were
actually
> on pit row, a clear violation since you are not, at that
> > point, limited to pit row speed, and you could've re entered the track.
> > You only did 4 15.8s the whole race and the fastest was an .845.
All
> of them were right after putting on fresh tires.
> > Your only did one before lap 175 and that was on L. 128. Every stop
> you made after your one around lap 85 did not fill up the
> > tank; remembering a full tank is 186 laps so after that stop around L85
> you were never again running with a full tank. To make
> > sure, I tested that setup w/18 gallons and feash tires, and ran 3-4
15.8s
> and a few 9s and went right into the 16s, just like you
> > did.
> > The 3 mid 8's you did with about 25 to go, on fresh tires, were
> followed by about 4-5 high 9s, then you went right into the 16s,
> > like the rest of us.
> The point I was trying to make was not how fast I could go but the
fact
> that when the race started I could hardly do 116's
> without bouncing off the walls. In other words it was overly tight from
what
> it had been any other time I had used it. Many 100's
> if not a thousand laps in practice both online and off. I'm sorry you
think
> that I'm a liar and can't tell the difference.
> You know I could careless if I'm the fastest out there unlike you. Why
> don't you tell everyone about how you hacked
> the Fast Lap program years ago so you could be the fastest. Unless that
was
> a different Tim White.
> > I'll agree there are bugs in the game but I seriously doubt loading
> 'faster' setups in a fixed setup race is one of them.
> You are an expert on bugs in the game now! Wow I'm impressed.
> > To be honest Pete, you can call me delusional all you like, but this
> is by far the best sim, the best version, we've ever had.
> > I have taken my share of pot shots (no pun intended) at Papyrus but
quite
> frankly, I think it is an awesome sim, with more features
> > than we've ever had. If you think back to what N1 really was, and what
we
> have now, how could anyone be anything but satisfied?
> There you go with your poor reading comprehension again. When have I
> stated that this game wasn't the best we have ever had.
> > At some point you either accept and enjoy what's out there, or start
> sounding like Michael Moorer; sooner or later, no one will
> > pay any attention to what you say :)
> I am enjoying it other wise I wouldn't be playing it. As far as
sounding
> like Michael Moorer I'd rather be classified as an Ass
> rather than the hacker you used to be. I tried to pass along things that I
> have learned and if you find that offensive too bad.
> Pete
Pete
btw I was able to retire of tbase software; still at work??
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> > > Not to be a stickler about you and your pots Pete, but I'm using a 5 yo
> > ECCI, with the original pots, and I've not seen any changes
> > > from sim to sim, other than the physics model.
> > You know it amazes me that you selectively read what I post. There is
> a
> > timing issue in ALL Papyrus versions. I have
> > half a dozen wheels including an ECCI and I see a difference between all
> the
> > wheels. I will only tell you once more we
> > went through this in BETA testing for the original Nascar game. I can't
> help
> > it if my dealing directly with Papyrus coders
> > at the time is not reliable enough for you.
> > The fact you haven't seen any changes is because there haven't been
> any,
> > the timimg issue has been there all along.
> > Now if I recall and I could be wrong you run windows 98 I have been
> running
> > XP since it came out. Perhaps you should
> > talk with the ECCI and TSW people(I have) and there is an issue with XP
> and
> > certain pots. But then again I suppose you
> > know more than they do.
> > I will also take some solice in the fact many people have emailed me
> to
> > tell me they have seen a big improvement in
> > the way the game drives by changing pots. That fact alone makes it
> > worthwhile. Just because you take exception I could
> > care less.
> > > I checked the replay for Saturdays race ...
> > > John is right, you passed the pace car, right before you were
> actually
> > on pit row, a clear violation since you are not, at that
> > > point, limited to pit row speed, and you could've re entered the track.
> > > You only did 4 15.8s the whole race and the fastest was an .845.
> All
> > of them were right after putting on fresh tires.
> > > Your only did one before lap 175 and that was on L. 128. Every stop
> > you made after your one around lap 85 did not fill up the
> > > tank; remembering a full tank is 186 laps so after that stop around L85
> > you were never again running with a full tank. To make
> > > sure, I tested that setup w/18 gallons and feash tires, and ran 3-4
> 15.8s
> > and a few 9s and went right into the 16s, just like you
> > > did.
> > > The 3 mid 8's you did with about 25 to go, on fresh tires, were
> > followed by about 4-5 high 9s, then you went right into the 16s,
> > > like the rest of us.
> > The point I was trying to make was not how fast I could go but the
> fact
> > that when the race started I could hardly do 116's
> > without bouncing off the walls. In other words it was overly tight from
> what
> > it had been any other time I had used it. Many 100's
> > if not a thousand laps in practice both online and off. I'm sorry you
> think
> > that I'm a liar and can't tell the difference.
> > You know I could careless if I'm the fastest out there unlike you. Why
> > don't you tell everyone about how you hacked
> > the Fast Lap program years ago so you could be the fastest. Unless that
> was
> > a different Tim White.
> > > I'll agree there are bugs in the game but I seriously doubt loading
> > 'faster' setups in a fixed setup race is one of them.
> > You are an expert on bugs in the game now! Wow I'm impressed.
> > > To be honest Pete, you can call me delusional all you like, but this
> > is by far the best sim, the best version, we've ever had.
> > > I have taken my share of pot shots (no pun intended) at Papyrus but
> quite
> > frankly, I think it is an awesome sim, with more features
> > > than we've ever had. If you think back to what N1 really was, and what
> we
> > have now, how could anyone be anything but satisfied?
> > There you go with your poor reading comprehension again. When have I
> > stated that this game wasn't the best we have ever had.
> > > At some point you either accept and enjoy what's out there, or start
> > sounding like Michael Moorer; sooner or later, no one will
> > > pay any attention to what you say :)
> > I am enjoying it other wise I wouldn't be playing it. As far as
> sounding
> > like Michael Moorer I'd rather be classified as an Ass
> > rather than the hacker you used to be. I tried to pass along things that I
> > have learned and if you find that offensive too bad.
> > Pete
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