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fistyc..

TSW2(mod)

by fistyc.. » Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:04:46

Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back
and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on
google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called
dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my
other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try
that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop
this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would
like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start
with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a
$400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the
place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims
i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it
two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't
make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel
because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't
make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would
not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this
problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there
wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user.    

here are my  specs
p4 1.3
sb live digtial
geforce gts 32mb
win me

Seymour Butt

TSW2(mod)

by Seymour Butt » Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:25:48

The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on the
Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF.

Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K Spectrol
pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy
gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option is
to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to
upgrade your pots to 100K...

The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :-

http://www.racesimcentral.net/***s.com/products.htm

The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to
solve jitter issues.


Nelson River

TSW2(mod)

by Nelson River » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:01:46

Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone
have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years.

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David Ciemn

TSW2(mod)

by David Ciemn » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:10:53

Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim ***s? I tried a
rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance.

Any info would be appreciated.

DC

> The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on the
> Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF.

> Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K
Spectrol
> pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy
> gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option
is
> to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to
> upgrade your pots to 100K...

> The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :-

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/***s.com/products.htm

> The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to
> solve jitter issues.



> > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back
> > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on
> > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called
> > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my
> > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try
> > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop
> > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would
> > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start
> > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a
> > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the
> > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims
> > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it
> > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't
> > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel
> > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't
> > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would
> > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this
> > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there
> > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user.

> > here are my  specs
> > p4 1.3
> > sb live digtial
> > geforce gts 32mb
> > win me

David L. Coo

TSW2(mod)

by David L. Coo » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:36:16

I just ordered new potentiometers from TE yesterday that are supposed to
work better with the USB converter - better than the DK pots.  I also
ordered my USB converter directly from them since I know it will work.  You
might want to give them a call.

- David Cook


> Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim ***s? I tried a
> rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance.

> Any info would be appreciated.

> DC


> > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on
the
> > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF.

> > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K
> Spectrol
> > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy
> > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option
> is
> > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver
to
> > upgrade your pots to 100K...

> > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :-

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/***s.com/products.htm

> > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to
> > solve jitter issues.



> > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back
> > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on
> > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called
> > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my
> > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try
> > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop
> > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would
> > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start
> > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a
> > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the
> > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims
> > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it
> > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't
> > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel
> > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't
> > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would
> > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this
> > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there
> > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user.

> > > here are my  specs
> > > p4 1.3
> > > sb live digtial
> > > geforce gts 32mb
> > > win me

fistyc..

TSW2(mod)

by fistyc.. » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:18:30

Thanks i knew about the poll with interrupts deal. and i have tested
this on another computer also and the same thing happens.
i want give them no more money just to get it to work like it supposed
to start with. looks like that 99.00 card will be my only choice.i
know one thing for sure i want order nothing else from any fly by
night company again...if ya can't try it don't buy it..but thanks for
the info man it was  highly appreated

don

On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:25:48 GMT, "Seymour Butts"


>The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on the
>Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF.

>Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K Spectrol
>pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy
>gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option is
>to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to
>upgrade your pots to 100K...

>The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :-

>http://www.racesimcentral.net/***s.com/products.htm

>The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to
>solve jitter issues.



>> Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back
>> and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on
>> google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called
>> dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my
>> other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try
>> that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop
>> this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would
>> like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start
>> with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a
>> $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the
>> place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims
>> i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it
>> two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't
>> make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel
>> because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't
>> make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would
>> not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this
>> problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there
>> wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user.

>> here are my  specs
>> p4 1.3
>> sb live digtial
>> geforce gts 32mb
>> win me

Eldre

TSW2(mod)

by Eldre » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 03:03:37



>Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone
>have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years.

Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR?

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Eldre

TSW2(mod)

by Eldre » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 03:03:37


writes:

I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right?  No, you're not the
only one with this problem.  Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem.  He
contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think).  He was told, yes the
problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it.  Well, not without a
PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.  Uwe posts here
occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some facts...
Sorry...

Eldred
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C-Webste

TSW2(mod)

by C-Webste » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 03:58:19

i can use split axis in F12001 with my tsw2

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> >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone
> >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years.

> Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR?

> eldred
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> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Richard

TSW2(mod)

by Richard » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 03:51:47

I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001.

gas  Joy1-- Z-
brake  Joy1-- RZ+
left turn  Joy1 -- X-
right turn Joy1 -- X+

Or am I mistaken?

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fistyc..

TSW2(mod)

by fistyc.. » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:39:04

yes it's going to the sb live gameport.
they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a
bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson
also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know
what the car is going to do sometime's.  but any way the lwff is great
for now .

don



>writes:

>>here are my  specs
>>p4 1.3
>>sb live digtial
>>geforce gts 32mb
>>win me

>I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right?  No, you're not the
>only one with this problem.  Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem.  He
>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think).  He was told, yes the
>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it.  Well, not without a
>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.  Uwe posts here
>occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some facts...
>Sorry...

>Eldred

fistyc..

TSW2(mod)

by fistyc.. » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:36:48

man i uninstalled that game the tire model was all screwed up after
the patch.plus there were alot of bugs. there was to much grip in
places that should'nt be there and not enough grip in others.but the
ff was great.i just felt like it was another arcade game from ea and
not really a sim and i had a llot of trouble with the controllers.
the axis gas and brake in split axis would'nt work right i could get
them asigned but it only worked at half way so it made it hard to
judge the car with all aids off.

thanks alot

don  

On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:51:47 GMT, "Richard \"ZZ\" Busch"


>I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001.

>gas  Joy1-- Z-
>brake  Joy1-- RZ+
>left turn  Joy1 -- X-
>right turn Joy1 -- X+

>Or am I mistaken?

Eldre

TSW2(mod)

by Eldre » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 06:05:37


writes:

>i can use split axis in F12001 with my tsw2

>--
>CW Webster




>> >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone
>> >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years.

Most can, true.  Some can't.  Nelson's comment was that this was the first time
he'd heard of anyone having a problem.  I'm not sure if he's including
calibration issues in that or not - he might not have been looking for
those....

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

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with experience...
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Eldre

TSW2(mod)

by Eldre » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 06:05:37



>I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001.

>gas  Joy1-- Z-
>brake  Joy1-- RZ+
>left turn  Joy1 -- X-
>right turn Joy1 -- X+

That's the same setup as me.  When you slect a track, you have to hold down the
brake pedal.  Hols it from the time you select "drive" until you're moving down
pit lane.  It should work then.  If not, let me know and I'll see if I can help
more.

Eldred
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Wayne Hutchiso

TSW2(mod)

by Wayne Hutchiso » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 07:06:27

What split axis issue in F1-2001? My 1996 TSW with 4-axes works just fine in
F1-2001...

Wayne Hutchison




> >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone
> >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years.

> Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR?

> eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.


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