rec.autos.simulators

by **Wayne Hutchiso** » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 07:10:51

I have an old TSW (1996) that I added the clutch pedal to a few years back.
It has the axes as follows:

gas Joy1 Z-
brake Joy1 RZ+
clutch Joy1 Y+
steering Joy1 X+/X-

If I hold down the brake pedal while I'm firing up F1-2001, then this
arrangement works just fine. Same thing works properly in SCGT, GPL, GP3,
N4, DTR, Leadfoot, Viper, etc.

Wayne Hutchison

by **Seymour Butt** » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:03:28

Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-***s
solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution.

I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work with any
pot range.

> Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim ***s? I tried a
> rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance.

> Any info would be appreciated.

> DC

> > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on
the
> > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF.

> > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K
> Spectrol
> > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy
> > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option
> is
> > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver
to
> > upgrade your pots to 100K...

> > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :-

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/***s.com/products.htm

> > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to
> > solve jitter issues.

> > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back
> > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on
> > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called
> > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my
> > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try
> > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop
> > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would
> > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start
> > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a
> > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the
> > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims
> > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it
> > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't
> > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel
> > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't
> > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would
> > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this
> > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there
> > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user.

> > > here are my specs
> > > p4 1.3
> > > sb live digtial
> > > geforce gts 32mb
> > > win me

by **Richard** » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:53:31

That's the same setup as me. When you select a track, you have to hold down
the
brake pedal. Holds it from the time you select "drive" until you're moving
down
pit lane. It should work then. If not, let me know and I'll see if I can
help
more.

Yea I have to hold my brake in until I hit the track. When I'm in the pit
garage I let go the brake and roll out. It works then.
I hold the brake from when I start the game til I'm in the garage.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:45:52

>That's the same setup as me. When you select a track, you have to hold down
>the
>brake pedal. Holds it from the time you select "drive" until you're moving
>down
>pit lane. It should work then. If not, let me know and I'll see if I can
>help
>more.

>Yea I have to hold my brake in until I hit the track. When I'm in the pit
>garage I let go the brake and roll out. It works then.
>I hold the brake from when I start the game til I'm in the garage.

Ok, good. Glad I could help(if in fact I did<g>). Although I find it hard to
believe that they didn't discover this problem in beta testing. Or maybe they
did, but just didn't care - it happens in F12000, F1200CS, SBK2001, and now
F12001... :(

Eldred
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by **96ImpalaS** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:14:12

Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always have
with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still use
it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it
unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since ISA
is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert to
USB or get one of the sim-***s cards when I upgrade my system

> yes it's going to the sb live gameport.
> >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He
> >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes the
> >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not
without a
> >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.
> they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a
> bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson
> also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know
> what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great
> for now .

> don

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by **96ImpalaS** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:20:14

Seymour

I'm a little confused about the sims-*** card. Would this be comparable
to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand it converts
the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick
conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you email them to
order?

> Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-***s
> solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution.

> I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work with
any
> pot range.

> > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim ***s? I tried a
> > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance.

> > Any info would be appreciated.

> > DC

> > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on
> the
> > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF.

> > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K
> > Spectrol
> > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a
dodgy
> > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other
option
> > is
> > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd
haver
> to
> > > upgrade your pots to 100K...

> > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter
:-

> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/***s.com/products.htm

> > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims
to
> > > solve jitter issues.

> > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while
back
> > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on
> > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called
> > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to
my
> > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try
> > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop
> > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i
would
> > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start
> > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with
a
> > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the
> > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other
sims
> > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got
it
> > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they
don't
> > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas
wheel
> > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't
> > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i
would
> > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this
> > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make
there
> > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user.

> > > > here are my specs
> > > > p4 1.3
> > > > sb live digtial
> > > > geforce gts 32mb
> > > > win me

by **David Ciemn** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:34:44

anyone using on of those sim *** cards?

DC

> Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always have
> with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still use
> it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it
> unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since ISA
> is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert to
> USB or get one of the sim-***s cards when I upgrade my system

> > yes it's going to the sb live gameport.
> > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He
> > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
the
> > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not
> without a
> > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.
> > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a
> > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson
> > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know
> > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great
> > for now .

> > don

> > >writes:

> > >>here are my specs
> > >>p4 1.3
> > >>sb live digtial
> > >>geforce gts 32mb
> > >>win me

> > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're
not
> the
> > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same
> problem. He
> > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
the
> > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not
> without a
> > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts
here
> > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some
> facts...
> > >Sorry...

> > >Eldred

by **Roger Squire** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:41:23

What's sim ***s url ? thx!

rms

by **96ImpalaS** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 02:30:05

Seymour said he is. Look above.

> anyone using on of those sim *** cards?

> DC

> > Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always
have
> > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still
use
> > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it
> > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since
ISA
> > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert
to
> > USB or get one of the sim-***s cards when I upgrade my system

> > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport.
> > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He
> > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
> the
> > > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,
not
> > without a
> > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.
> > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a
> > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson
> > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know
> > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great
> > > for now .

> > > don

> > > >writes:

> > > >>here are my specs
> > > >>p4 1.3
> > > >>sb live digtial
> > > >>geforce gts 32mb
> > > >>win me

> > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're
> not
> > the
> > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same
> > problem. He
> > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
> the
> > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not
> > without a
> > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts
> here
> > > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up
some
> > facts...
> > > >Sorry...

> > > >Eldred

by **Robert Jorda** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:07:24

Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I would
say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheel that
does not have design problem and has better customer support

> Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always have
> with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still use
> it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it
> unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since ISA
> is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert to
> USB or get one of the sim-***s cards when I upgrade my system

> > yes it's going to the sb live gameport.
> > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He
> > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
the
> > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not
> without a
> > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.
> > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a
> > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson
> > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know
> > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great
> > for now .

> > don

> > >writes:

> > >>here are my specs
> > >>p4 1.3
> > >>sb live digtial
> > >>geforce gts 32mb
> > >>win me

> > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're
not
> the
> > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same
> problem. He
> > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
the
> > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not
> without a
> > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts
here
> > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some
> facts...
> > >Sorry...

> > >Eldred

by **Don Burnett** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:15:12

Have you called and talked with them? I think you'll find most owners of the
TSW line of wheels are very happy with theirs, and will attest that Thomas
offers great support.

Don Burnette

> Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I would
> say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheel
that
> does not have design problem and has better customer support

> > Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always
have
> > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still
use
> > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it
> > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since
ISA
> > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert
to
> > USB or get one of the sim-***s cards when I upgrade my system

> > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport.
> > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He
> > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
> the
> > > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,
not
> > without a
> > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.
> > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a
> > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson
> > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know
> > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great
> > > for now .

> > > don

> > > >writes:

> > > >>here are my specs
> > > >>p4 1.3
> > > >>sb live digtial
> > > >>geforce gts 32mb
> > > >>win me

> > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're
> not
> > the
> > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same
> > problem. He
> > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes
> the
> > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not
> > without a
> > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts
> here
> > > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up
some
> > facts...
> > > >Sorry...

> > > >Eldred

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:21:29

> Thanks i knew about the poll with interrupts deal. and i have tested
> this on another computer also and the same thing happens.
>>The other option is
>>>to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to
>>>upgrade your pots to 100K...
> i want give them no more money just to get it to work like it supposed
> to start with. looks like that 99.00 card will be my only choice.i
> know one thing for sure i want order nothing else from any fly by
> night company again...if ya can't try it don't buy it..but thanks for
> the info man it was highly appreated

> don

Hmm, what kind of jitter are you on about? The seemingly random
up/down jumping when you calibrate the wheel under windows?
Have you tried the "generic" input driver that GPL offers?

Regards,

uwe

PS: I have had nothing but good experiences with TE, they do go
out of their way to help customers, IMHO.

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by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:22:16

> i can use split axis in F12001 with my tsw2

> --
> CW Webster

>> >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone
>> >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years.

>> Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR?

the split axis issues are due to shoddy programming on the game
developers side, not an inherent problem of the TSW.

uwe

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by **96ImpalaS** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:27:43

I don't think some even read the posts. All of your questions you're asking
after the fact have already been addressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Have you called and talked with them?"

"i called
dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my
other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try
that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop
this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither

"anyone using on of those sim *** cards?"

"Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-***s
solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution."

"What's sim ***s url ? thx!"

"The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :-

http://www.racesimcentral.net/***s.com/products.htm

The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to
solve jitter issues."

> Seymour said he is. Look above.

> > anyone using on of those sim *** cards?

> > DC

> > > Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always
> have
> > > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still
> use
> > > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it
> > > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since
> ISA
> > > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert
> to
> > > USB or get one of the sim-***s cards when I upgrade my system

> > > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport.
> > > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He
> > > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told,
yes
> > the
> > > > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,
> not
> > > without a
> > > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.
> > > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put
a
> > > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson
> > > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know
> > > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is
great
> > > > for now .

> > > > don

> > > > >writes:

> > > > >>here are my specs
> > > > >>p4 1.3
> > > > >>sb live digtial
> > > > >>geforce gts 32mb
> > > > >>win me

> > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No,
you're
> > not
> > > the
> > > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same
> > > problem. He
> > > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told,
yes
> > the
> > > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,
not
> > > without a
> > > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe
posts
> > here
> > > > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up
> some
> > > facts...
> > > > >Sorry...

> > > > >Eldred

by **Seymour Butt** » Tue, 08 Jan 2002 05:10:25

www.sim-***s.com

> > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim ***s?

> What's sim ***s url ? thx!

> rms

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