Oh no, here we go again. :)
--
Greger Huttu
> > (snip)
> > The thing that will get to most retailers is that many people will go
> > out, buy the CD, burn a copy or 30,then return the original. That
> > means they get the game for basically free (as well as all their
> > friends) and the retailer is stuck with an opened unsuable box.
> > (unsnip)
> What a nice assumption to base business on: All customers are criminals!
> --
> Toni Lassila
Totally true John, I still think that even if I was one of the person who
was the most against the old game engine in N3, they took the correct
decision. N3 is still a _solid_ title. It's better than most of the racing
games on the market, and has sometimes few games have, all-around :
Gameplay. Look at how deep it is, whatever if it's an upgrade or not.
Nascar 1 was years ahead of anything, and N2 also was. It's normal that
because of the old game engine this factor has come down a little, but it's
still a quality title that few *** companies produce. I hope N3 sells
well, this way we could finally have something else than mostly stockcar
titles by Papyrus. There was a shortage of Stock-car titles on the market
for Christmas, they knew they could split the HQ into different projects and
still continue R&D on N4 and the new game engine. It's only about a year
away :)
Im totally pleased about N3, but at the moment I have not bought it, for
many reasons, including the poor implementation of online racing and the
4years backward step it currently has. "has" is the correct term :)
--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
>Oh no, here we go again. :)
>--
>Greger Huttu
*MOST* pure hotlappers don't do well in leagues since they crash a lot, but
there are some amazing Senna'ish hotlappers whose names I won't mention <G>,
who somehow have the capability to crack out a blazing qualifying lap, yet
also drive consistently fast and clean in the races themselves and do well in
leagues too, to the utter amazement of the rest of us less talented drivers :-)
However, your average mortal, aggressive pure hotlapper you may see in a VROC
pickup race, crash inducing, tailgate-you-into-Monza-T1-on-Lap1-outofcontrol-
-Lotus-driver (forgive for the bad stereotype ;-) will have a hard time
finishing consistently in league races and usually quit after the third or
fourth DNF, and if you want to race in an environment where these type of
racers are really the exception, I would encourage people to give GPL Leagues
a try, (especially Leagues that race with PRO damage).
I agree with Rob, N3 by being easier to drive, does allow close online racing.
Pure hotlap racers can race closely with other online racers without causing
accidents as often since the fine line between fast and out of control is
much fuzzier in N3 than in GPL (due to the more forgiving and unmodeled
physics of N3), *but* this kind of "close" online racing is possible and does
occur often in GPL if you surround yourself with quality clean GPL racers.
Seeyas on the track.
--John (Joao) Silva
GPL Ferrari driver.
Powerslide Racing Team - GMSS League F1 division.
Rossi Razzi Racing Team - IGPLC League F2 division.
> Im totally pleased about N3, but at the moment I have not bought it, for
> many reasons, including the poor implementation of online racing and the
> 4years backward step it currently has. "has" is the correct term :)
> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
--
Toni Lassila
> How on earth you arrive at the conclusion, "all customers are criminals",
> beggars belief!
> > What a nice assumption to base business on: All customers are criminals!
--
Toni Lassila
>Been playing Nascar 3 on my system for about 3 hours now.
A COUPLE of chassis settings?! I defy you to go tell me the
car handles exactly the same with 30% tape and 0% tape at Talledaga.
Actually, I can hear at least 2 other distinct cars around ME
when in traffic. And I can't imagine WHERE you get the idea that N1's
sounds are better...
That's pretty much what it takes to get out from behind a car
that's only a few inches in front of you without backing up!
First off - aren't you USING a steering wheel?! Why on earth
would you want ANOTHER wheel onscreen? I detest those games that have
sterring wheels in the***pit (NasRev et al.), and I know I'm not
alone in that... They obviously kept the displays the same for those
of us who've been running this since N1. new keys are unnecessary. I
agree, though that the displays are a little short. I wish we could
get BOTH "Best Lap" and "Last Lap" speeds onscreen at the same time.
Actually looking at the alternative view of that information
(especially F2-Position and pressing ENTER to see the position of the
car in front of you) is EXTEREMELY useful! I prefer to know if the
car in front of me is behind me or not and how FAR behind me they are
(or how far in FRONT of me they are).
While not "pathetic," I agree it's undermodelled. I have had
quite a bit of debris fly off in some crashes, tho...
Well, first off, I bought N1 right after it came out - $40US,
I think. then I bought N2 within its first few days - $49 IIRC. Held
out for Nas50th that cost me $35, but I sold N2 for $20, so its net
was $15. Got N99 for FREE after the rebate. Got N3 for $39 the day
after it came out. So to ME... 40+49+35-20+39 for (how many?) years
enjoyment and pay for it in installments is a pretty fair trade-off.
I've seen people drop $70 for a night at the movies, THEN $30 for
movie tickets, then $50-60 more for drinks afterwards and they're done
the same night (I'll leave out the oh-too-easy snide remarks).
Sorry you were so unimpressed with it - but others of us are
VERY happy with it.
Gunner
Gunner
--
Toni Lassila
I know.... it's the magic word: Gravis Ultrasound
sounds with GUS were good, but SB sounds were bad IMO :)
BTW, after running n3 for just a few minutes I was very disappointed. Since
then though I've realized that N3 is much more than jsut a redone N1. To me
the single biggest difference (there are many) is there are now multiple
"fast" lines around most tracks. Nothing better than runnin high groove at
Mich :)
But I still eagerly anticipate N4, but have something to occupy my time till
it arrives.
Mitch
but then "If it ain't broke and hasn't
> >Surely you can't disagree with that?
> >Cheers!
> >John
> John,
> We're back to the same topic from months and months ago. Nascar3 with
he
> gpl physics engine would require a more powerful system than any of us
have.
> Personally, I feel that Sierra/Papyrus made the right decision. I find
> Nas3 much improved over N2. But if I had to turn off most of the graphics
> and cut back on everything else just to be able to get decent frame rates
> with the gpl physics engine,then I would have passed on purchasing Nas3
> until I upgraded again. And I only upgrade once per year.
> Joel Willstein
>> How on earth you arrive at the conclusion, "all customers are criminals",
>> beggars belief!
>> > What a nice assumption to base business on: All customers are criminals!
>Stripping money-paying customers of their legal right to return a faulty
>(i.e. buggy as hell) game is no excuse for preventing piratism, as much as
>I loath it.
Gunner
> >> He was saying that _MANY_ poeple will do it....which was exactly as we
> >> found. Note! "MANY".....not "ALL".
> >> How on earth you arrive at the conclusion, "all customers are criminals",
> >> beggars belief!
> >> > What a nice assumption to base business on: All customers are criminals!
> >Stripping money-paying customers of their legal right to return a faulty
> >(i.e. buggy as hell) game is no excuse for preventing piratism, as much as
> >I loath it.
> As a computer retailer myself, I have to follow the dictates
> of my distributors: none that _I_ deal with accept open box returns,
> and I have no way to re-shrinkwrap them for resale. Therefore I can't
> take back a program someone wants to return because they didn't like
> it. And trust me: it's in MY bottom line to "eat" returns. lol
> Oklahoma used to have a "3 Day Right of Rescension Law" that
> said you could return ANYthing if brought back in the SAME condition
> it was bought - I did that with a mobile home in 1984.
> Gunner
Michael
> > On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:06:07 +0300, Toni Lassila
> > >> He was saying that _MANY_ poeple will do it....which was exactly as
we
> > >> found. Note! "MANY".....not "ALL".
> > >> How on earth you arrive at the conclusion, "all customers are
criminals",
> > >> beggars belief!
> > >> > What a nice assumption to base business on: All customers are
criminals!
> > >Stripping money-paying customers of their legal right to return a
faulty
> > >(i.e. buggy as hell) game is no excuse for preventing piratism, as much
as
> > >I loath it.
> > As a computer retailer myself, I have to follow the dictates
> > of my distributors: none that _I_ deal with accept open box returns,
> > and I have no way to re-shrinkwrap them for resale. Therefore I can't
> > take back a program someone wants to return because they didn't like
> > it. And trust me: it's in MY bottom line to "eat" returns. lol
> > Oklahoma used to have a "3 Day Right of Rescension Law" that
> > said you could return ANYthing if brought back in the SAME condition
> > it was bought - I did that with a mobile home in 1984.
> > Gunner
> What is the big deal Sierra guarantees all there games for 30 days just
let them
> know you hate it and you will get a refund no problem according to their
website.
> Michael
