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GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

Greg3

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Greg3 » Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:05:08

Hey GPLers.....I have been getting back into this lately, since GTR2002 wont
run that great on my meager P3/700....anyway, what is the secret to these
(2) tracks?!! I CANNOT bust 2:00 at Rouen, and Kyalami is a serious weak
spot on my rank.
I dont use 3rd gear on any corners at Kyalami, is this right? At Rouen I
honestly cant figure where that :47 I need is!! I use 85/45 rearends, do I
have to learn to drive those sick 30/60's etc?
I'm gettin bummed....(and Eldred, I dont want to hear anymore BS about how
your slow!! I cant touch your times hardly anywhere!! {:-)
Thanks for any tips

Greg

Haqsa

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Haqsa » Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:26:51

What chassis are you using?  At Kyalami you will probably want to use 3rd on
Jukskei Sweep, and possibly even on Sunset Bend, depending on chassis.  I'm
still about 0.1 off of the benchmark there so I don't know how much I can
really help, but when I look at my replays it is almost always the stretch
from the exit of Barbecue Bend to the entrance to Clubhouse Bend that makes
the big difference in lap times.  You really need to maintain as much speed
as possible in the Sweep and with Sunset Bend you need to trail brake right
in to the apex and then come out very aggressively as soon as you get over
the hump in the middle.  Hope that helps.  Let me know if you figure
anything else out, because I would really like to get under 1:20 there.


Jan Verschuere

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:42:47

I'm not good at Kyalami either, so we'll skip that part.

There's a lot of places where you can lose time at Rouen. Can you be a
little more specific or post a replay somewhere?

The main things about Rouen are you have to apex those fast sweepers (1st
turn, Six Freres, the run up to Sanson, Beauval, Paradis) early and carry
speed. Others are putting power down out of the Nouveau Monde hairpin and
Sanson. Scierie is also faster than it appears at first.

I'm using a fairly soft setup with an 60/85/2 differential at the moment.
I'm about to seek advise on breaking 1m58s, though, so stand by for a change
of mind. <g>

Jan.
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Alex Smit

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Alex Smit » Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:51:15

My take: (the following is of course dependant on setup, but I use Gregor
Huttus original ones)

Rouen:

The first three/four corners are very important, I go to 4th for turn 1,
then 4th or 3rd for the others. You should be (nearly) on the dirt at the
exit of each of these corners. Turn 4 (the approach to the hairpin) is
pretty tough and only practise will master it. Also another thing to
remember is the braking point after the long straight, leave it as late as
possible. I can do about 1:56.3 with 85:45 so don't worry about 60:30 diffs.
PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!

Kyalami:

The first corner, as late as is possible, brake quite late after the skid
marks begin on the road. The second corner is deceptive, but turn early so
that you touch the apex, get this wrong and the rest of the straight up to
sunset is ruined. Don't overpush sunset, does more harm than good, just
cruise round it and get the power on early. Get a good exit out of the back
straight otherwise the straight is ruined. Oh and also... PRACTICE PRACTICE
PRACTICE!

Don't forget that you can always download hotlaps. eg www.hotlaps.de,
watching faster people can be very insightful!

:)

Regards

Greg3

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Greg3 » Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:19:01

Thanks all, as far as chassis, I have been in favor of the Ferrari for these
2 tracks, realizing the Lotus is more "point and shoot"....I will take all
you have said and go from there....1:20 at Kyalami?....I dont see THAT in my
future, at least before dentures!! But JEEZ, I want to get under 2:00 at
Rouen!!! Its driving me far more mad than getting under 8:30 at the
Ring...yet another story in itself!
Thanks again guys,
Greg31


Eldre

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Eldre » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:20:52



>Thanks all, as far as chassis, I have been in favor of the Ferrari for these
>2 tracks, realizing the Lotus is more "point and shoot"....I will take all
>you have said and go from there....1:20 at Kyalami?....I dont see THAT in my
>future, at least before dentures!! But JEEZ, I want to get under 2:00 at
>Rouen!!! Its driving me far more mad than getting under 8:30 at the
>Ring...yet another story in itself!
>Thanks again guys,

When you figure out under 2:00 at Rouen, and 1:50 at Mexico, let me know, huh?
Those two are a thorn in my side...

Eldred
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Malc

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Malc » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:40:00


Drive really fast ;-)

Malc.

Uwe hoover Schuerkam

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Uwe hoover Schuerkam » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:43:49


> Hey GPLers.....I have been getting back into this lately, since GTR2002 wont
> run that great on my meager P3/700....anyway, what is the secret to these
> (2) tracks?!! I CANNOT bust 2:00 at Rouen, and Kyalami is a serious weak
> spot on my rank.

Hi Greg,

I think breaking 2:00 at Rouen was one of my longest standing
challenges in GPL. The key to Rouen for me turned out to be two
things:

1) be smooth.

2) Brake later for the penultimate right-hander after the long
backstraight and taking it in third gear. This alone will
probably gain you half a second.

Also, I've ruined a great number of laps by overcooking it into
the first right hander after S/F. Frustrating as hell ;-)

uwe

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Eldre

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Eldre » Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:17:28



>> When you figure out under 2:00 at Rouen, and 1:50 at Mexico, let me know,
>huh?
>> Those two are a thorn in my side...

>Drive really fast ;-)

>Malc.

Smart ass...<g>
I can drive really fast, no problem.  But, I can't stay on the track while
doing it.  Staying on the track improves your chances of getting a good lap
time...
:-)

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Uwe hoover Schuerkam

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Uwe hoover Schuerkam » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:45:09




>> When you figure out under 2:00 at Rouen, and 1:50 at Mexico, let me know,
> huh?
>> Those two are a thorn in my side...

> Drive really fast ;-)

hehe! As some great racer stated, the key to racing is not
going fast, but slow enough in order to stay on the track ;-)

uwe

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Malc

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Malc » Wed, 29 Jan 2003 03:14:53




> >> When you figure out under 2:00 at Rouen, and 1:50 at Mexico, let me
know,
> >huh?
> >> Those two are a thorn in my side...

> >Drive really fast ;-)

> >Malc.

> Smart ass...<g>
> I can drive really fast, no problem.  But, I can't stay on the track while
> doing it.  Staying on the track improves your chances of getting a good
lap
> time...
> :-)

Hey if you're fully in control you're not going fast enough ;-)

Rouen has alot of fast, sweeping corners where your exit speed is crucial to
getting a good time. Firstly, use ALL of the track, and accelerate through
each corner, taking as late an apex as you can manage, because you'll enter
the corner much slower than you exit it, so your car will tend to want to
drift wide at the exit. A late apex will give you enough tarmac for it to do
that.

The famous hairpin won't lose you too much time if you take it slowly, but
it's very easy to lose the back as you have to brake while turning.
Think about your traction circle and use a bit of braking and a bit of
cornering grip to slow down & get round the corner. Brake too hard & you'll
go sideways, take the corner too fast & you'll not have enough grip left to
slow down.

One other tip I found really useful, take the tight corner at the end of the
back straight in second, and you can floor it much sooner without doing
donuts ;-)

Malc.

Greg3

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Greg3 » Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:15:26

Well somethings working...got it down to 2:00.30 at Rouen...GOOD GOD...can I
buy .30 from someone???
Thanks for the tips
Greg






> > >> When you figure out under 2:00 at Rouen, and 1:50 at Mexico, let me
> know,
> > >huh?
> > >> Those two are a thorn in my side...

> > >Drive really fast ;-)

> > >Malc.

> > Smart ass...<g>
> > I can drive really fast, no problem.  But, I can't stay on the track
while
> > doing it.  Staying on the track improves your chances of getting a good
> lap
> > time...
> > :-)

> Hey if you're fully in control you're not going fast enough ;-)

> Rouen has alot of fast, sweeping corners where your exit speed is crucial
to
> getting a good time. Firstly, use ALL of the track, and accelerate through
> each corner, taking as late an apex as you can manage, because you'll
enter
> the corner much slower than you exit it, so your car will tend to want to
> drift wide at the exit. A late apex will give you enough tarmac for it to
do
> that.

> The famous hairpin won't lose you too much time if you take it slowly, but
> it's very easy to lose the back as you have to brake while turning.
> Think about your traction circle and use a bit of braking and a bit of
> cornering grip to slow down & get round the corner. Brake too hard &
you'll
> go sideways, take the corner too fast & you'll not have enough grip left
to
> slow down.

> One other tip I found really useful, take the tight corner at the end of
the
> back straight in second, and you can floor it much sooner without doing
> donuts ;-)

> Malc.

Jan Verschuere

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:26:00

Here's a big tip: quit worrying about the 2minute barrier. Just drive,
you'll break it soon enough.

Jan.
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Malc

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Malc » Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:14:30


That's about as good advice as you can get ;-) I've set most of my really
quick times about three laps from the end of a race, with a car in the
distance to aim for.

You forget about driving the car, it becomes automatic. You concentrate on
being smooooth and using all the track.

Those are the times when you're quickest, but that's when you get the most
spectacular offs, because you're really going for it and taking risks.

Malc.

Eldre

GPL ..Rouen & Kyalami

by Eldre » Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:00:08

That doesn't help - trust me...

Eldred
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