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I couldn't get on with it! I went back to my trusty old CH tiny joystick.
This one looks like a radio control stick, and you operate it with your
finger and thumb - left/right and throttle/brake.

I found the main disadvantage with the wheel is I simply couldn't apply the
opposite lock as fast as with the stick. Also the pedals didn't have the
feel that I thought they would have, especially for braking.

Does anyone else think the same, or is everybody a wheel fan?

- Michael

I think it depends on what you are used to and how much you are willing to
"retrain" yourself.  I'm so used to my CH sticks and Pro Pedals that wheels
just seem wrong.  After quite a few laps, I managed to get about as quick in
some sims with the TM GP1, but I went back to my trusty ol stick.  I never
liked the GP1's poor centering.

Try a GP1 wheel without modifying the as-shipped lock.  At 180 degrees
lock-to-lock, it's much quicker than a wheel with a 270 degree rotation.  I
modified mine for more, but that's just preference.  I do run the linearity
slider almost full left, though.  What do you use with the joystick, and did
you change that for the wheel?
You're right about the Nascar Pro pedals.  I use CH pedals, which you can use
with your joystick as well.  MUCH better than the TM ones.  Apparently, some of
the development people at Papyrus use a stick/pedal setup also.

Steve B.

I like my racing to be as realistic as possible.  The wheel/pedal combo
can't be beat (for realism).  I like the wheels -- won't go back to
joysticks for a racing sim, no matter how much quicker it is.

All the stuff I learn about correcting slides and stuff can be applied
to my daily driving (with a wheel).  Do you find your self shifting from
Neutral to 5th to correct a slide (in winter of course -- I don't drive
like a manic -- thats saved the for sims ;)

True, but not worth scrapping the wheel.

Hmm..  Force-Feed Back brakes might help.  Still its justanother controlling
device to get used to.  Once you have the
hang of it, there is nothing like it.

Jason.
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Of course, the reason I like the small joystick was that the first decent
racing sim I played was GP1 (World Circuit, actually) on the Amiga, with a
small DIGITAL joystick.  How they achieved the illusion of feel with a
digital stick is beyond me, but I had blast with that game.

Rick

Supposedly some people at Papyrus use joysticks for GPL. It's been
questioned if this affected the way they set up the steering settings in
GPL. Who knows for sure? I don't.  :-)

David G Fisher
DmndDave

Michael.

I know what you mean - the advantage of the little one is that your thumb
and finger have much finer control than your whole hand.

- Michael

I use the middle position for the stick, and I modified it to about 1/4
along from the left for the wheel

setup also.

Now that's something I haven't tried!

- Michael

Hi,
I always find joystick best. Dont have pedals but I use keyboard for gas &
brakes
bye
Tapani

Mike.

David G Fisher
DmndDave

Lutrell,
Dsr#74 :-)
http://www2.scca.com/amateur/club_racing/runoffs/photogal/dsr-74.jpg

I am in the same position it seems as Michael in the original message.
I used my CH Mach3 for the demo, getting a 1:06:90 and 1:31:4x. Since
getting the full thing I felt I could go a little faster at both these
places with the default setups... I'm not exactly sure what happened
some days ago but the controls went all wierd on me.. Braking was just
about impossible. Only took me a few hours this morning running
different calibs to figure out it had all been reset, and the settings
I had got used to..

Therefore it *really* helps to have the thing calibrated properly..
;-)

Now I have a very strange problem that I don't trust the car. :)

Thanks,

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