That would be nice - but I have not yet reached that state of GPL nirvana:-)
- Michael
That would be nice - but I have not yet reached that state of GPL nirvana:-)
- Michael
% I couldn't get on with it! I went back to my trusty old CH tiny joystick.
% This one looks like a radio control stick, and you operate it with your
% finger and thumb - left/right and throttle/brake.
% I found the main disadvantage with the wheel is I simply couldn't apply the
% opposite lock as fast as with the stick. Also the pedals didn't have the
% feel that I thought they would have, especially for braking.
% Does anyone else think the same, or is everybody a wheel fan?
Yep, not being able to flick the wheel from left to right as quickly as
one can throw the stick left to right is a disadvantage (the same one
real race car drivers have by the way <G>). When I switched from my T1
(totally different steering feel and pedals). It took me quite some
time to adjust to my NASCAR Pro. I think if you give it some time you
will adjust. The same goes from changing from one type of real car to
another (say front wheel vs. rear wheel drive).
While it may be a disadvantage to have to move a wheel its full motion
to apply opposite lock, it's more realistic. Once you learn to drive in
a manner suiting your controller (be it wheel or joystick), I personally
believe you will find that you can go just as fast with either. It just
takes time and some mental/physical adjusting.
--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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Dave Kaemmer appears to have a peculiar control setup. If you watch any
of his replays (included with GPL) you'll see he has amazing control
over the wheel, and is able to apply opposite lock easily and
efficiently, and go from lock to lock at incredible speed.
Contrast this with Alison Hine's replay, where she appears to have a
similar degree of control over the wheel as myself and most other racers
I've seen who use a wheel.
To me it looks reminiscent of drivers using slomo in GP2, where they
could move the wheel from lock to lock easily and retain total control
and confidence. I'd like to know what controller Kaemmer used for these
laps.
--
Spudgun
It's not so strange... a joystick is simply a better controller. This is not
lost
on the auto industry, at least Mercedes-Benz are seriously looking into
using a joystick instead of a wheel in production cars.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are production cars with joysticks in 5-10
years.
Take a look at http://www.mercedes.com/e/innovation/rd/forschung_apr97.htm
/Jan
>It's not so strange... a joystick is simply a better controller. This is
not
>lost
>on the auto industry, at least Mercedes-Benz are seriously looking into
>using a joystick instead of a wheel in production cars.
>I wouldn't be surprised if there are production cars with joysticks in 5-10
>years.
>Take a look at http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>/Jan
> >Apparently, some of
> >the development people at Papyrus use a stick/pedal setup also.
> Dave Kaemmer appears to have a peculiar control setup. If you watch any
> of his replays (included with GPL) you'll see he has amazing control
> over the wheel, and is able to apply opposite lock easily and
> efficiently, and go from lock to lock at incredible speed.
> Contrast this with Alison Hine's replay, where she appears to have a
> similar degree of control over the wheel as myself and most other racers
> I've seen who use a wheel.
> To me it looks reminiscent of drivers using slomo in GP2, where they
> could move the wheel from lock to lock easily and retain total control
> and confidence. I'd like to know what controller Kaemmer used for these
> laps.
David G Fisher
DmndDave
Today I buy a wheel.
Jens
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:54:08 +0100, "Michael Powell"
>I couldn't get on with it! I went back to my trusty old CH tiny joystick.
>This one looks like a radio control stick, and you operate it with your
>finger and thumb - left/right and throttle/brake.
>I found the main disadvantage with the wheel is I simply couldn't apply the
>opposite lock as fast as with the stick. Also the pedals didn't have the
>feel that I thought they would have, especially for braking.
>Does anyone else think the same, or is everybody a wheel fan?
>- Michael
Jens
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:27:38 -0400, "Rick Baumhauer"
>Of course, the reason I like the small joystick was that the first decent
>racing sim I played was GP1 (World Circuit, actually) on the Amiga, with a
>small DIGITAL joystick. How they achieved the illusion of feel with a
>digital stick is beyond me, but I had blast with that game.
>Rick
> applying opposite lock to their wheels. They work much better when a
> person's ***is fimly secured, like with a jetfighter pilot. Further,
> because slip angle and maintaining a certain static coeficient of friction
> aren't as important to a pilot, he is less concerned with steady input. One
> big advantage to a joystick is you have feedback of which way the wheels are
> pointed as opposed to a low ratio wheel.
Michael.
I'm not sure how much memory you have, but if you have 128 megs RAM and
take part in some of these online races you can record a replay which
will contain pretty much practice + the whole race for a full field of 20
online cars. You can then play the replay through the different drivers***pit
view to see their style and how they achieve their times. Highly recommended.
I hosted VROC sessions pretty much the whole weekend and played back some
of the replays I got, and looking at other drivers you can definitely
see variation in the styles. Personally, I drive "smooth", stay on the
black marks for most of the time <G> and have gotten pretty decent results.
Then again I don't care if I'm ever "the fastest GPL driver", and I would
never consider giving up the immersion of my wheel for the added speed of
a joystick.
Give that replay thing a try if you have enough memory, warning though,
I started watching the replays and spent 2 hours before I noticed that
it was time for bed...
Seeyas on the track.
--John (Joao) Silva
>David G Fisher
>DmndDave
>>It's indeed possible, but as you've seen GPL can be driven very >smoothly -
>>and fast - with a wheel. The key is to *not* need to throw the steering
>>from side to side!
>>Cheers,
>>Richard
>>--
>>We all bump into each other every day of our lives, and we render our
>opinions
>>whether we know anything or not, and if anybody catches us out we lie...
> Hi David,
> I'm not sure how much memory you have, but if you have 128 megs RAM and
> take part in some of these online races you can record a replay which
> will contain pretty much practice + the whole race for a full field of 20
> online cars. You can then play the replay through the different drivers***pit
> view to see their style and how they achieve their times. Highly recommended.
[ Replay ]
replayMemoryOverride = 20000
And a mighty fine host you were, too.. :)
--
Neil Yeatman
Ajax, Ontario, CANADA
I upgraded to 128megs RAM just for GPL, but it has helped out win98 too,
especially since I've been hosting race a lot.
If with that setting you can save 20megs worth of replays then that should
work out fine for most people with 64 megs RAM, the replays I've saved from
20 car online races include practice + race, come out at the largest to
29-30megs, so 20 megs should get you most if not all of the race.
Also thanks for the kinds words, I had a blast hosting VROC races this
weekend, especially since I hosted a bunch of races on some of the tracks
that aren't as common for online races, and so I forced myself to learn
these tracks. Finally I can turn a lap or two at the 'ring without shift-r
and also found out what fun Mexico and Kyalami are. Amazing to be following
a train of 4-5 cars through those German hills.
Thanks to all the great drivers who dropped by and added to the nice
learning atmosphere at those online sessions.
Seeyas on the track.
--John (Joao) Silva